topic Re: Copying in elevation in Documentation

Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Jan 2025 10:31:54 GMT

It seems as though there is no way to copy an object in elevation. Is this true? If you have several objects on top of each other in plan it would be great to be able to lay them out in elevation but the program seems to limit you to copying in plan (where you can't really see what you're doing) or in 3D which is somewhat cumbersome. Does anyone know of another way around this?
Thanks

Re: Copying in elevation

TomWaltz — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:59:16 GMT

sbatchelor wrote:
It seems as though there is no way to copy an object in elevation. Is this true? If you have several objects on top of each other in plan it would be great to be able to lay them out in elevation but the program seems to limit you to copying in plan (where you can't really see what you're doing) or in 3D which is somewhat cumbersome. Does anyone know of another way around this?
Thanks

The only things you can copy in elevations are doors & windows within the same wall. Other than that, you cannot place any new 3-dimensional items into your model in an elevation/section view.

The best way around it is to get comfortable working in the 3D window to copy and drag in any dimension.

Re: Copying in elevation

Djordje — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:49:54 GMT

sbatchelor wrote:
but the program seems to limit you to copying in plan (where you can't really see what you're doing) or in 3D which is somewhat cumbersome. Does anyone know of another way around this?
Thanks

Use 3D; it is not cumbersome at all after you are used to it. And, it does give you instant feedback.

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:27:43 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Use 3D; it is not cumbersome at all after you are used to it. And, it does give you instant feedback.

... best if you put a marquee around the area you're working in. It's cumbersome if you work with an entire airport terminal in the 3D window, in order to copy a column 3 times.

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:01:52 GMT

I think I like the idea, but in my limited experience in working in 3d, it seemed that I can't be too exact when moving or copying items (or mirroring, or ...) The only thing that I've used it successfully in the past is adjusting wall heights, etc.

Now, is this because I wasn't looking too carefully at all the options, or can you really not work all that accurately in 3d (vs. Section/Elevation)?

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:05:24 GMT

Just remember to work with the coordinates - they work in 3D same as in plan. x and y can be stipulated - or a (angle) and r (distance) and move around in the 3D with the 3D navigation to get a clear view on what you're doing. It's quickly done with a marqueed area. With a bit of practice in this, you'll find it's often easier than doing everything in plan.

Also, if you're copying at regular intervals, remember the 'multiply' command - it works in 3D, too.

HTH

Re: Copying in elevation

Djordje — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:55:58 GMT

Sergio wrote:
Now, is this because I wasn't looking too carefully at all the options, or can you really not work all that accurately in 3d (vs. Section/Elevation)?

Why not?

Use pet palettes and coordinates. Learn to move the origin to the storey you work on. Trim works, adjust works, multiply works, most of the stuff works.

Plans, sections and elevations are symbolic representations of the building. What we do are the buildings. The only place where you see the building is the 3D window.

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:03:46 GMT

Djordje wrote:
...Learn to move the origin to the storey you work on...

'tis the first I've ever heard of this. So you're saying that there's a "switch" where you can select which floor/storey new items will be placed on in 3D (nevermind the fact that I didn't think you COULD place new objects in 3D)? I thought all of the modifications that get done in 3D stay on their default floor, but if you're saying that you can "move the origin", now this sounds interesting.

Never said that I knew everything, but this may be a biggie that I totally missed. Any additional info on it, please?

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:59:35 GMT

Sergio wrote:
So you're saying that there's a "switch" where you can select which floor/storey new items will be placed on in 3D

AFAIK elements added in 3D will be put on the story that is current in the plan view. Not a completely logical or transparent method, but easy enough to manage. I do wish there were a way to see the element's home story in the info box though.

I believe Djordje was referring to the handy practice of moving the 3D user origin to the current story's elevation.

Re: Copying in elevation

Djordje — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:31:33 GMT

Matthew wrote:
I believe Djordje was referring to the handy practice of moving the 3D user origin to the current story's elevation.

Yep.

Whoever told Sergio that you can't add in 3D is at least an ignoramus.

3D is the real working environment. Use it, guys!

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:14:58 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Yep.

Whoever told Sergio that you can't add in 3D is at least an ignoramus.

3D is the real working environment. Use it, guys!

I have always had a hard time working in 3-d when drawing, placing, or even copying elements. I can edit them there with heights and size and all but not much more.

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:44:12 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Matthew wrote:
I believe Djordje was referring to the handy practice of moving the 3D user origin to the current story's elevation.

Yep.

Whoever told Sergio that you can't add in 3D is at least an ignoramus.

3D is the real working environment. Use it, guys!

Djordje,
What other operations are better don in 3D instead of 2D?

Can you give a list of your know how?

Thanks,
Joseph

Re: Copying in elevation

TomWaltz — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:52:08 GMT

Sergio wrote:
nevermind the fact that I didn't think you COULD place new objects in 3D.

You cannot place new 3D elements in elevations/sections. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

Re: Copying in elevation

TomWaltz — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:00:11 GMT

Joseph wrote:
What other operations are better done in 3D instead of 2D?

Can you give a list of your know how?

Here are a few of mine:

Find & Select
Solid Element Operations
Trim-to-Roof
Placing Roofs at a custom angle
Placing vaulted roofs
Changing roof pitches visually
Changing Slab thicknesses visually
Placing "belts" of trim that overlap in plan, but cannot be Magic Wanded or Copied
Finding the cause of strange lines in sections/elevations

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:18:49 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Joseph wrote:

What other operations are better done in 3D instead of 2D?

Can you give a list of your know how?

Here are a few of mine:

Find & Select
Solid Element Operations
Trim-to-Roof
Placing Roofs at a custom angle
Placing vaulted roofs
Changing roof pitches visually
Changing Slab thicknesses visually
Placing "belts" of trim that overlap in plan, but cannot be Magic Wanded or Copied
Finding the cause of strange lines in sections/elevations

Wow Tom,
You already increased my productivity.
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:32 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Joseph wrote:
What other operations are better done in 3D instead of 2D?

Can you give a list of your know how?
Here are a few of mine:

Find & Select
Solid Element Operations
...

Tom, there is no ground to compare "SEO's" between 2D & 3D Working Environment, because of possibility to SEO only in 3D window!

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:20:24 GMT

Joseph wrote:
What other operations are better don in 3D instead of 2D?
Can you give a list of your know how?

Addition to Tom's list:

* - Material Definition.
* - Project Review for Problematic Points.
* - Z coordinates definition via hotspot snaping to other objects.

Re: Copying in elevation

TomWaltz — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:26:32 GMT

Z.Bauer wrote:
Tom, there is no ground to compare "SEO's" between 2D & 3D Working Environment, because of possibility to SEO only in 3D window!

Not true. You can do SEOs in plan and elevation.

Re: Copying in elevation

TomWaltz — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:27:19 GMT

Joseph wrote:
Wow Tom,
You already increased my productivity.
Thanks,
Joseph

Good, the bill is in the mail.

Not a lot of people know about the roof ones.

Re: Copying in elevation

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:39:54 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Z.Bauer wrote:
Tom, there is no ground to compare "SEO's" between 2D & 3D Working Environment, because of possibility to SEO only in 3D window!
Not true. You can do SEOs in plan and elevation.

My apologizes Tom,
you are right SEO works also in plan and elevation. The problem is/was that with earlier versions I had some problems doing that. But looks like all works fine in build 2172.
Thank's for feedback!