topic Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks? in Documentation

PM: How do I show the page breaks?

tsturm — Fri, 26 May 2023 00:38:58 GMT

I want to see the page breaks in the PM layout book.

I am using the latest version of PM. 3.1 v2. I have the Display Options set to show Page Breaks and Overlappings. All I see on the layout page is hte blue bounding box of my margins.

anyone else having this issue?

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

David Larrew — Thu, 06 May 2004 22:32:11 GMT

Is the Layout large enough to require multiple pages? If not, you will not see the page breaks until PM breaks the Layout up into multiple sheets.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 07 May 2004 08:33:37 GMT

You have to set the Master Layout to consist of several pages. Uncheck the Set Layout Size equal to Usable Print Area checkbox, and then you can define how many pages by how many pages the Master Layout should consist of.
Then you will have the page break lines showing on the Layout using that Master Layout as well.
Laszlo

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Anonymous — Fri, 07 May 2004 12:42:12 GMT

I have this problem all the time, the master layout has page breaks option turned on, we set up the layout for the printer and no breaks are apparant.

Then when I'm printing, under print options the Layout Size shows 2 pages. To fit the drawing onto one, you have assign one of the shrink options. This can be dangerous when people start scaling off the prints on site!

We've also checked that they're are no objects off the print area, but this particular issue keeps on occcurong. What am I doing wrong, trust that they'res an easy solution.

This seems to behave the same under Mac OS X.3 and Windows XP.

Thanks

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Djordje — Fri, 07 May 2004 18:04:24 GMT

Pete wrote:
Then when I'm printing, under print options the Layout Size shows 2 pages. To fit the drawing onto one, you have assign one of the shrink options. This can be dangerous when people start scaling off the prints on site!

You only have to define your Masters with the device margins, and always use device margins when printing. In any other case, you have to scale down. Be sure to define the master for the device you are printing it on.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

tsturm — Wed, 12 May 2004 13:55:58 GMT

Not really going to the point of my question.

Lazlo started to get there by stating you have to change a setting in the Master setup to get page breaks to show up.

However Lazlo, what I should be seeing on my 24x36 (arch D) page which has been programmed for our HP designjet 800 page of Arch D, but since my layout book also has two other page setups so that I can place the same graphics on other page sizes such as 11x17 and 8x11 is page breaks when the current Page Setup is set for 8x11.

Here is the problem more defined. I have three master pages. Each one is defined for a different piece of paper. 8x11, 11x17 and 24x36. Now when I want to print out the 8x11 sheets I need to change the Page Setup to 8x11. No problem here. The problem is when I open the layout book to print one of the 24x36 sheets and the file had been left to print on 8x11 I do not see any page breaks on the 24x36 layout to tell me the current page setup is set for 8x11.

This is what I am looking for.

Is anyone else using the Layout Book for different page sizes?

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 13 May 2004 09:48:27 GMT

Could you post a screen capture of how it is and what you would like to achieve?
Laszlo

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

David Maudlin — Thu, 13 May 2004 12:32:28 GMT

Here is the problem more defined. I have three master pages. Each one is defined for a different piece of paper. 8x11, 11x17 and 24x36. Now when I want to print out the 8x11 sheets I need to change the Page Setup to 8x11. No problem here. The problem is when I open the layout book to print one of the 24x36 sheets and the file had been left to print on 8x11 I do not see any page breaks on the 24x36 layout to tell me the current page setup is set for 8x11.

This is what I am looking for.

Is anyone else using the Layout Book for different page sizes?

Each master sheet has its own printer/plotter settings. In order to see the page breaks for 8x11 pages on your 24x36 sheet you need to open the Master for the 24x36 sheet and set its page size to 8x11, uncheck "Set Layout Size to Usable Print Area" and set the number of pages you need for the layout at the bottom of this dialog box. Hope this is what you are looking for.

David

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 14 May 2004 08:42:03 GMT

I got it.
I think that each Master Layout has its own setting for the printer/plotter. So when you use that, it will override what is set in Page Setup with what is set in the Master Layout settings Dialog. This is why there are no page break lines because it is not that page size.
Is this possible?
Laszlo

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Anonymous — Fri, 14 May 2004 11:04:57 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
I got it.
I think that each Master Layout has its own setting for the printer/plotter. So when you use that, it will override what is set in Page Setup with what is set in the Master Layout settings Dialog. This is why there are no page break lines because it is not that page size.
Is this possible?
Laszlo

I don't think you are correct about each Master having its own print/plot settings (it could be a nice idea though). I just plotted a layout book with different sized sheets and had to redo the plot settings for each sheet size. I believe this is also true for printing.

You can set different plot/print settings for each item in a publisher set though. I think it's even possible to direct prints and plots at different sizes to different printers from the same set (I'll have to try this to make sure).

Regarding the original question:

The page breaks (as you have noticed) are no longer displayed in the layout as they were in PM2 (perhaps this is a wish list item). In order to see them now you need to click the Plot Options or Print Options buttons in the plot or print dialogs. This button is immediately visible in the plot dialog but is buried in the Plotmaker Settings pane (pop-up menu on Mac - I forget now the PC details) in the print dialog.

In this buried but important dialog you will find the choices that we used to dream of in PM2 and earlier (especially in Windows) like the ability to scale to fit etc. Here you will see a preview of how the layout will fit to the current page size according to your scaling preferences. Note that if you are printing sheets of a variety of sizes that this preview will be replaced by words to that effect.

I hope this is clear enough.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

tsturm — Fri, 21 May 2004 12:59:10 GMT

thank you both David and Matthew for adding to my question.

Lazlo.

I have a layout book which has three different Master pages. Each page has the same information on it but arranged to fit that page size. In essence, I had to print the same information on three different sizes. I suppose that I could have just scaled the pages around to get this done, but in fact some of the smaller drawings required some tweeks to the information to ge them to read better at the smaller scale.

Well my problem became when I would want to print the larger pages and my current printer settings were set to a machine which did not support that page size. If the tiling settings would show on that page telling me how the drawing would come out prior to printing then I would know before hand that I had to change my page set up.

In PM2 there was none of this Master page stuff. You opened the layout pages and you saw that the page set up was not going to fit your information and you had to change the settings. Now in PM3. You have all these Master Pages. Great. You also have places to store multiple pags of drawings without getting them to over lap when printing. Great agaiin. But what seems to be misisng is the feed back that my current page settings do not match the Master page's settings and thus a good print.

I have printed pages out only to find them squished or stretched. Even after picking the corrent printer in the Print dialog box. Where things got messed up was before any print can happen, the Page Setup dialog. Until Apple combines the Page Setup and Print dialogs this issue is going to be a problem. What I was hoping that GS could do was give some type of feed back to the user when they were looking at a layout so they would know before hand that their drawing was going to be tiled across pages, shrunk or stretched.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

tsturm — Fri, 21 May 2004 13:24:35 GMT

Here is the picture of my settings. See how the print area is different than the expected output.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Anonymous — Fri, 21 May 2004 13:49:57 GMT

It looks to me that your page setup is set to Arch D which is 24x36 paper. Change this to match your layout size and all should be well.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 25 May 2004 17:23:54 GMT

I think I finally put together what happens here.
What I see is this:
1. You have an Epson printer set to print 11x17 pages.
2. You go to the Master Layout Settings Dialog and set a Master Layout with a size of 11x17 (landscape) and with Margins all set to zero.
3. You go to the Print Setup and set it to a HP DJ800 plotter with 24x36 size paper.
4. When you click the Print Options (or PlotMaker Options) button in the Print Dialog it shows that the size of your Layout (11x17) is much smaller than the printable area of your currently selected printer (HP - 24x36), thereby there is no need to shrink. In that Dialog the Blue rectangle is the size of the Layout and the Black rectangle is tha printable size of one page in the currently selected printer.

If I understand correctly, what you would like is that when you are working on the Layout, you already see the Page Breaks of the the currently selected printer to show on the Layout.
That could be a wish.

What I would recommend is this:
1. Go to the Master Layout Settings Dialog.
2. Click on the Print/Plot Setup button and set a printer/plotter to the desired page size.
3. Click the apply button to transfer these settings to the fields above this row of buttons in the Dialog.
4. Do not set the Margins of the Master Layout to lower than the default values transferred from the printer/plotter.
5. Create multi-page Master based on this printable page size, if you wish, or keep it a one-page Master Layout.
6. Transfer the Master's Settings to the Layout of your choice.
7. When printing, make sure that the printer is set to the same page size and orientation you transferred the settings from to the Master Layout. This way, when you print and go to the Print Optinos Dialog, the Page Breaks shown there will always match the Page Breaks in the Master Layout Settings Dialog, if you set a multi-page Master there.
So basically, I think the size of the printer page the Master Layout is based on and the size of the printer when yoou print, should match.

Laszlo

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

tsturm — Fri, 28 May 2004 04:25:41 GMT

So perhaps my example was done backwards.

I challenge you to get any better results using a large page setup in the Master settings and then picking a smaller page in the Page Setup.

I will guarantee you will see the same results. No tiled pages. All you will get is the same blue border.

The system should respond the same way either way you print. Whether your orginal is smaller or larger than the paper size. There should be some feed back that you have not aligned the paper to the Master page settings and therefore will not get the desired results as the page will print on the wrong printer or will come out the wrong size.

I still like the feed back that PM 2.1 gave. The Red box to the Blue box changed depending on the page settings. What happened to change this?

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 28 May 2004 08:52:29 GMT

I set 4' by 3' paper coming from HP DJ600 default settings for the Master Layout.
Then in the Page Setup Dialog I set An Epson to A4 size.
In the Print Dialog, I entered the Print Options Dialog and got the attached result. The Layout fits only this many A4 pages and the black lines show page breaks.
Is this what you meant?
Laszlo

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

tsturm — Fri, 28 May 2004 15:12:56 GMT

Lazlo

I was hoping that the page breaks would be visible on the layout page where you place the drawings and other such things.

I know that these page breaks can be seen in the Plotmaker as Options. I would like to see some feed back before I get all the way to a Print box and another Options box to see the effect of not having the correct match of Page Size to Layout size.

You are correct that this can all be done with the current release of PM. Do you recall though what happened in PM2 when a different page was chosen than the layout? You got this grid of pages or a page which was way larger than the current layout sheet could accommodate.

I wish I had a copy of PM2 installed so that I could get a screen capture to show you better of what I mean. In fact, there was an option in the display settings to shut this On and Off. Like the one in PM3 attached below.

The thing is. Right now, if the pages are bigger or smaller than the Layout, you do not see the breaks, even if the Display Settings are set to do so.

Could this be only a MAC thing?

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Djordje — Fri, 28 May 2004 18:39:40 GMT

tsturm wrote:
I was hoping that the page breaks would be visible on the layout page where you place the drawings and other such things.

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Could this be only a MAC thing?

Nope. PC too.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

LiHigh — Sat, 29 May 2004 00:53:33 GMT

tsturm, I believe the problem is that you have changed the paper size before uncheck "set layout size equal to usable print area". By doing that, Plotmaker automatically alters the layout size to suit the paper size. You should reverse the process!
Please refer to the image attched: if X1>X2 or Y1>Y2 (assuming you've turn on "show page break"), you will see the page break!
Hope this help.

Re: PM: How do I show the page breaks?

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 29 May 2004 11:48:22 GMT

The "problem" now is that you can set paper size for each Master Layout, and you can set paper size in the Print Dialog.
Previously - since there was only one Layout - whatever change you made in Print Settings to the Paper Size was immediately visible on the Layout.
I think what tsturm (Terrence, right?) misses is that now we do not have this feedback. We see the Page Breaks set in the Master Layout Settings Dialog, but do not see the Page breaks based on the current printer set in Print Setup. This would require another set of page breaks to appear on the Layout.
This could be a wish (maybe even possible to set in Display Option whether we want it visible or not).
Laszlo