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Building our future — together: Graphisoft Insights Follow-up

Gordana Radonic — Tue, 09 May 2023 08:44:43 GMT

Grow your influence

Following-up on our post on Graphisoft Insights, tell us your suggestions and ideas about the best way to move forward with our plans to involve you on various activities - such as beta testing, analysis, and exploring new product ideas.

Share your suggestions and ideas below!

Re: Building our future — together: Graphisoft Insights Follow-up

Nathan Hildebrandt — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:05:05 GMT

I have a lot of ideas around how engagement and collaborative design between users and Graphisoft could occur.

Primarily I believe that a hierarchy method of collaboration and sharing of ideas should occur. I have stated on many occasions that I believe that the group of users in the Graphisoft Development Panel (Futures Forum) are the top users from across the world. The real world on the ground experience this group brings to the table is a good cross section of your full client base. They should be consulted first to test ideas before major development projects commence. Then once ideas are tested with that specific group, and a sound foundation is in place, then you test it in the broader community as a final check on the proposed development.

This needs to be done firstly at the road map level, to confirm that the suggested road map is in line with the current user needs. Then once the strategic road map is put in place, then the details can be worked through on each of the features/workflows.

That is the first level of ideas I have in making things better for Graphisoft and for the users. A win / win for everyone.

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Rex Maximilian — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:10:31 GMT

It's quite simple. Have a very public Roadmap with real information about actual features as opposed to generalisms that the current road map has. Enable us to vote on the features we wish to see implented, as well as having write in suggestions that may garner votes as well.

And then... R&D needs to take the poll seriously, very seriously, and start implementing them. We are the users, we know what is wanted and needed. This will give Archicad back to the users, instead of further distancing itself from its core group, who have little to no need for structural or MEP solutions. This is why we hire consultants.

Make Archicad "Archi" CAD again!

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Jp1138 — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:29:16 GMT

I think one the first steps to take should be to be a lot less secretive about what is going on behind the scenes. Even in Graphisoft user group webinars we are strictly forbidden from comenting anything of what´s discused - this is not some kind of revolutionary invention anyone is going to copy (at least most of the time). Discussion should be not only allowed, but encouraged in this forum, and developers should be much more involved here. Let´s use what it´s already in place.

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Miha_M — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:39:06 GMT

I fully agree with @Nathan Hildebrandt. GS needs advanced or top user community involvement in setting a roadmap for all levels of Archicad first, as this is of utter importance. I'd be happy to help out if needed.

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Lee Hankins — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 15:25:44 GMT

I'd like to be involved please. I am already involved with Beta Testing and in contact with various Graphisoft product engineers.

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DGSketcher — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 15:35:00 GMT

As @Nathan Hildebrandt has mentioned the GDP have been offering assistance, but for years there has been very little engagement. You can't design a Widget for your users if you don't LISTEN to their needs and respect their feedback. Working in a vacuum only delivers failed and unwanted projects that help no one and waste precious development resources.

To a programmer three clicks of a mouse isn't seen as a problem; to the end user three clicks when you used to do two to do the same task multiple times a day is a fail, consolidating it to one click is a win. You need user feedback during development, not just at Beta when it is too late to change.

The new attributes interface is a case of initial feedback being ignored and then getting to Beta with a lot of frustration at the poor implementation leading to a major backlash.

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abdelaziz — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:03:10 GMT

I would like to be involved because I am already involved in the GDC Forum Thanks

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Emre Senoglu — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:51:09 GMT

1- Development Roadmap

2- No more yearly version cycle.

3- Some evidence that you are listening as well as taking concrete steps to implement all that is being asked here in the community and through the one on one sessions.

Re: Building our future — together: Graphisoft Insights Follow-up

Rex Maximilian — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:48:21 GMT

Agree with #1 and 3... but I want a yearly update. I mean, we need something for our money... although, lately, it's as if there hasn't been an update for the core users (small firms doing pure architecture).

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Rex Maximilian — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:52:01 GMT

That makes too much sense! 👍 Will they listen? I hope so...

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abdelaziz — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 22:00:45 GMT

I too would like to participate

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Emre Senoglu — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:20:30 GMT

To be clear, I'm not saying no updates. I just think the current yearly cycle is not bringing the software forward. I would prefer 'continous development' - a mix of big and small features, that are released in irregular time intervals. Corona and Twinmotion are developed like this, and it results in 2 or so bigger updates and a bunch of smaller hotfixes per year. This would allow actual time spent on well polished features, and not just a bunch of ideas delivered and then forgotten.

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Rex Maximilian — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 22:21:43 GMT

Yes, that sounds like a good cycle. Adobe CC does the same thing for the suite of Adobe apps.

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gavinNZz — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 22:47:24 GMT

I would love to be a part of a collaborative approach to Archicad's development. Proof of GS's intentions will be in the implementation of this community engagement.

Public roadmaps aren't new and there are plenty of examples of good ones out there. GS needs to move away from the secretive development mindset and look to lead the pack. So what if a competitor knows what you are developing? In the case of AC, most of the key roadmap items will already have been implemented by their competitors anyway!

As a reference here is Vectorworks roadmap - https://www.vectorworks.net/en-US/public-roadmap pretty simple but effectively communicates development process. (on a side note, good to see USD export as scheduled.....take note GS!)

Please GS put this process in place asap to give us longtime users a glimmer of hope that AC will once again be the architects choice.

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Algimantas Kuprenas — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 05:39:08 GMT

Hi,

As You are developing a digital product you should be following digital product development rules 😉

These are my 2 suggestions:

1. TRANSPARENCY - Roadmap with KANBAN board that is fully transparent (all issues, bugs and improvements with their #ID shown. Everyday we (Archicad users) are working as BETA testers of software, but we are not able to see is our feedback is valuable for GS Team and community.

2. INTERACTION AND FEEDBACK - Voting and commenting mechanism in KANBAN board. Voting is important because its impossible to make all fixes/wishes/improvements so they must be prioritised.

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maro — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 07:15:49 GMT

I would also like to participate

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Nathan Hildebrandt — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:24:19 GMT

Also the approach needs to be workshop and group based. One on one conversations means that users only answer questions that are put forward from Graphisoft. Users are not able to bounce ideas off each other, or realise that another user is actually suggesting something better than they originally thought. It becomes collaborative design with the user community, rather than gathering individual thoughts that are not at the highest level of value that you get when people share ideas together.

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runxel — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 14:22:36 GMT

Totally agree with all three points.

The public roadmap is a must nowadays. Just get rid of the hungarian mystery and be open and bold about it, but start to LISTEN to your loyal users.

Yearly releases must be abolished. It just does not work, as the last three years have shown. If something's ready, give it to us, if not, well then please go on developing and don't annoy everybody here.

And please get the devs on here. Just look over at the guys of McNeel. Every engineer is on the forum and they contribute valuable and meaningful posts. You know, just some basic interaction and not talking against a wall would already be a welcomed change.

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Rex Maximilian — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:12:50 GMT

The "roadmap" they keep showing looks Kanban board-ish, but is filled with general terms: Design, Document, Visualize, BIMx, IFC, etc., and nothing else. What do those even mean... I don't understand what they feel they are conveying with that. I'm not sure they understand just how much they've damaged their standing and reputation with their own user base with the release of 26, another in a string of mostly featureless upgrades (25 was actually their first good update since 22). You'd think their PR team would be doing an aggressive method of user/client interaction with an interactive road map (voting/write-ins) for damage control.

Have you ever seen a more generic roadmap from such a company with a 40 year history?