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Any way to share besides TeamWork?

Anonymous
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We have multiple draftsmen, architects, and interior designers working on a project; the project is to small for everyone to delineate their desired workspace. I'm doing as much work from saved SOLO projects as we can, but as you all know copying and pasting is time wrenching. I feel that everybody here is wasting a large portion of their day Signing, Sending, Changing and all that mess. There must be a more efficient way to handle project sharing...like a sort of update or something. Does anybody have any ideas?
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TomWaltz
Newcomer
I think we'd need a little more info about the project. how big is it? What kind of work are you copy/pasting? Why are people changing work space so often?
Tom Waltz

Djordje
Mentor
Evan,

Please put your OS and Archicad details in your signature.

Describing your setup and basic rules of working on a project would be beneficial. It is possible that you are missing something obvious?
Djordje



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Anonymous
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We have a teamwork plp. file on our network that everyone signs up to by choosing a workspace, I think the reason we have to change workspace so often is because we have to sign up in small areas just to avoid each other. For example, I need to work on 6 different stairs, but the interiors dept. needs the majority of the first floor plan to work on floor finishes. The way we usually handle this is interiors would choose a large area with marquee, and I would jump around the plan choosing the stairs one at a time. Usually we can coordinate to where we can avoid these situations, but occasionally work must be done by multiple people on similar areas. The copying and pasting issue occurs when one person needs to be exclusive for some reason and another teammate can work on a wall section that is in 2d from a saved pln. and later paste it in. We do this as little as possible, but if there was a more efficient way to work on a solo project and update changes into a main plan it would probably become a more standard practice.
These concerns are for a smaller project in our office. In a larger project this isn't as big of an issue because team members are assigned a small building to work on within a giant project, and they generally stick to that one area. Where as this project is a three story building (each floor about 50,000 sf), and all teammates work on all areas. I hope this makes our situation more clear, but I can always elaborate. If you have any advice, well then thank you.

Aussie John
Newcomer
Team work is a nuisance for instance, one pperson cant work on section and another plans as they are using the same elements.

In your instance with the stairs (mostly likely a pain) but you could work on a separate file and insert to the other project as a module, or with teamwork, create some special layers for your team to work with.
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TomWaltz
Newcomer
I think the easiest solution would be to separate the stairs onto a layer of their own so you could work on them on all stories and not need marquees.

What is the person working on floor finishes using? Slabs? Zones? Either way, it seems like they could use their own layer for it, plus maybe another for any notes they place.

Assuming I'm not too far off, it seems like a couple of new layers in the project could alleviate some of your teamwork issues.
Tom Waltz

Anonymous
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Note that you can sign into a teamwork project with a blank marquee off to the side with all stories and all layers and still add items to the project; even outside your marquee area. You will just not be able to change any existing items within the project. This is good for letting someone work on dimensions, partition types or other markups that just need to add new information.
Also marquee areas can overlap as long as each team member has different layers within their marquee. I have been working this week on the structural column grid while someone else has the wall layers. We will need to coordinate on the column furring, but it seems to be working well.

Anonymous
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For small offices it would be better to alow multiple people say max 3 manipulate a file on a server. This is much more productive than the present one.

The big problem in Teamwork is that only by signing in with full acess the layers and layers combination could be modified. This is unacceptable.

Anonymous
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Adalbert wrote:
The big problem in Teamwork is that only by signing in with full acess the layers and layers combination could be modified. This is unacceptable.
For a well organized template, I've never found this to be a serious problem. For the few times that the layer combinations to need modifying, I can always open the team leader PLC that resides on the server and make the necessary adjustments. (We keep the team leader always signed in without any portion of the project and a PLC saved on the server so that team members can open this file to make adjustments without having to sign out of their workspace.)

TomWaltz
Newcomer
Adalbert wrote:
For small offices it would be better to alow multiple people say max 3 manipulate a file on a server. This is much more productive than the present one.

The big problem in Teamwork is that only by signing in with full acess the layers and layers combination could be modified. This is unacceptable.
It's also inaccurate. Team Leader can edit layer combinations without "full access"
Tom Waltz

Anonymous
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Maybe in 10 in 9 one does not add layers without full access.

My point is that the way it works for small offices and project the teamwork is NOT THAT PRODUCTIVE. There is much too much time spent in signing in and out. For (3) people in one room is far from optimal. A server-based solution on a fire wire distributed network and IS THE FUTURE. Obviously today’s teamwork capability will have to be retained as the wide area network solution.

The way it works now for small 50,000 sq ft commercial projects is a waste of time relegating the software to no more that a single user solution with back ups. For larger projects is different but that is that, 90% of the US construction volume is made up of small building around 50,00 sq ft. on small offices. Projects are fast, many times you receive layering form others and have to able to adapted as the project evolve.

TomWaltz
Newcomer
Adalbert wrote:
Maybe in 10 in 9 one does not add layers without full access.
Yes, you can add layers in both AC9 and 10. If you just want to add a layer to a project, you can even do it as a Team Member. Only revising layer combinations requires Team Leader. That was ture back in AC8.1 as well.

I'm not a huge fan of Teamwork and I think it has HUGE room for improvement, but I've ben using it consistantly and productively for 3 years on projects ranging from 3000 to 150,00 SF.

Like many other tools, efficiency in Teamwork comes from knowing how to use it.
Tom Waltz

Anonymous
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Millard wrote:

For a well organized template, I've never found this to be a serious problem. For the few times that the layer combinations to need modifying, I can always open the team leader PLC that resides on the server and make the necessary adjustments. (We keep the team leader always signed in without any portion of the project and a PLC saved on the server so that team members can open this file to make adjustments without having to sign out of their workspace.)


I guess I'm not exactly sure how this works, but it sounds great...do you just save the plc. on the network,and that subsequently changes the pln. on the network? Does that update it or does that replace it? Thanks

Anonymous
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I use it efficiently on projects started from scratch where I use my template. But even here is a clumsy way of working.

The problem is when I receive a plan of a building with a different layering system. Then one does not have the time of recreating the project and during the design one must constantly sign out and in to manage the layer combination. All I wanted to point out is that Archicad is not the ideal solution for 3-4 persons attacking a project at once. Somehow the leader should be able to do what it wants with the layers and then force it upon the rest of the members

Anonymous
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EVAN wrote:
Millard wrote:

For a well organized template, I've never found this to be a serious problem. For the few times that the layer combinations to need modifying, I can always open the team leader PLC that resides on the server and make the necessary adjustments. (We keep the team leader always signed in without any portion of the project and a PLC saved on the server so that team members can open this file to make adjustments without having to sign out of their workspace.)


I guess I'm not exactly sure how this works, but it sounds great...do you just save the plc. on the network,and that subsequently changes the pln. on the network? Does that update it or does that replace it? Thanks
Right,
I save the TeamLeader PLC to a folder in the project file on the server. The team leader stays signed into the project without any stories, layers, details, sections or layouts. This way if anyone on the project team needs to tweak a layer combination they can open the Team Leader PLC and update the combination and send and receive the changes. It would be best if this was managed by one person, but too many times a change has been needed while this person was out.

Anonymous
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Millard wrote:

Right,
I save the TeamLeader PLC to a folder in the project file on the server. The team leader stays signed into the project without any stories, layers, details, sections or layouts. This way if anyone on the project team needs to tweak a layer combination they can open the Team Leader PLC and update the combination and send and receive the changes. It would be best if this was managed by one person, but too many times a change has been needed while this person was out.
Wow, you're responding early...thanks. Anywway...this sounds great, but are you able to update more than just layer combinations in the PLC?

Anonymous
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Why not use Hotlinks? Everyone can do their part on the project and everything can be shown on a master file. At the end you just break the hotlinks and you have the whole project on one file...

Anonymous
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I don't really know about hot links, but we do use it on a different project in the office; I'll ask around to see if that is a viable option...thanks for the suggestion.

TomWaltz
Newcomer
Millard wrote:
I save the TeamLeader PLC to a folder in the project file on the server. The team leader stays signed into the project without any stories, layers, details, sections or layouts. This way if anyone on the project team needs to tweak a layer combination they can open the Team Leader PLC and update the combination and send and receive the changes. It would be best if this was managed by one person, but too many times a change has been needed while this person was out.
I've used a similar approach myself and found that can work pretty well, especially if there is no clear leader among the group.
Tom Waltz

Rakela Raul
Participant
Why not use Hotlinks? Everyone can do their part on the project and everything can be shown on a master file. At the end you just break the hotlinks and you have the whole project on one file...
Tom, can you explain please whats wrong with the above ?
and thx in advance
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