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Collaboration with other software
About model and data exchange with 3rd party solutions: Revit, Solibri, dRofus, Bluebeam, structural analysis solutions, and IFC, BCF and DXF/DWG-based exchange, etc.

Archicad vs. Revit??

rob2218
Enthusiast
this is not a match up fight here folks. I just wanted some constructive comparison on who here has used both and what they can see the pro's and con's are of one vs. another.

Again, no need to take off the gloves. i'm simply doing a bit of research for someone.

Much appreciated.
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
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Edgewater, FL!
SOFTWARE VERSION:
Archicad 22, Archicad 23
Windows7 -OS, MAC Maverick OS
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owen
Newcomer
Bricklyne wrote:
But at the end of the day I think it's a moot point and argument because I don't believe there's that much further that GS can take this software on the back of a seriously aging 3D kernel and engine driven by GDL - which, for all its flexibility is a considerably inefficient, clunky and resource-greedy Graphical coding language. You really think it's by accident or negligence that we still have no intuitive graphical user interface and/or module to facilitate the creation of custom objects and to replace GDL coding? It's just natural progression, and at this stage of game, there's not that much room for them to navigate with regards to improving the interface, the workflow nor the program in general.
Grasshopper ....

take a long, hard look at it and tell me ArchiCAD wouldn't benefit immensely from such a simple yet powerful parametric scripting interface like that. Just copy the damn thing if you must - it is basically a graphical, drag 'n drop means of putting together a GDL script.

This simple video should be very relevant to mainstream architecture and explains in only a few minutes how good it is. Note at the beginning how you can draw objects in the normal 3D space and capture them to add parametrics ..

http://www.vimeo.com/3152539

can anyone seriously say this would not be one of the most important developments in ArchiCAD's history?

(gotta have something to aim for after TW2)

cheers,

os
cheers,

Owen Sharp

Design Technology Manager
fjmt | francis-jones morehen thorp

iMac 27" i7 2.93Ghz | 32GB RAM | OS 10.10 | Since AC5
Anonymous
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Do you people think that Digital project is maybe a way to go? I'm an architecture student, and wanna get most out of the bim (when I say the most, I think about modeling)
Anonymous
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@WhiteMan I've used a lot of software the years and I find myself (only very recently) with ArchiCAD as my core tool - why? - whether I am entering a competition or designing a kitchen extension I need to have intelligent data that I can push in different directions - to visualisation, to construction drawings, to consultants etc. By intelligent I mean, for example a door that knows it is a door and can respond dynamically to what it is touching like wall, in 3 dimensions and with all the BIM implications.
For me the focus is on workflow - so I also use other software packages
  • Cinema 4D (recently) for modeling and rendering that ArchiCAD could not achieve (their connection isn't perfect but I live in hope)
    SolidThinking - which is a very powerful NURBS modeler, more like Alias Studio than Rhino (which owen mentions above)
    and ArchiCAD add-ons like Cadmimage design suite and landscape suite,
... but at the end of the day most of my work is done in 'core' ArchiCAD

You raised the issue of Digital Project, which is built on CATIA, which was developed for the automotive and aeronautics industries. It is no accident that as architecture becomes more like 'double curvature' industrial design that ID tools are being adopted. This is relevant if industrial-like processes are the main focus - like a Bilbao. Where architecture has BIM, industrial design has PLM - and I see them getting closer and closer in the future.

Stepping back a bit, just remember that when you leave architecture school you need to get a job - where most firms will not be whizz bang NURBS modelers; and if you work on your own sooner rather than later you will probably start with modest projects that will have no use for digital project and the like - but will benefit greatly by the use of intelligent BIM like ArchiCAD - as I have found

Good luck and keep exploring
You can also have a look at an old blog post of mine New directions for young architects: TECHNOLOGY
owen wrote:
Grasshopper ....

take a long, hard look at it and tell me ArchiCAD wouldn't benefit immensely from such a simple yet powerful parametric scripting interface like that. Just copy the <b>[censored]</b> thing if you must - it is basically a graphical, drag 'n drop means of putting together a GDL script.

This simple video should be very relevant to mainstream architecture and explains in only a few minutes how good it is. Note at the beginning how you can draw objects in the normal 3D space and capture them to add parametrics ..

http://www.vimeo.com/3152539

can anyone seriously say this would not be one of the most important developments in ArchiCAD's history?

(gotta have something to aim for after TW2)

cheers,

os
Simply great.

But I have some questions there:
1. Is Graphisoft aware of this kind of technology?
2. Being aware of it, Would they consider it something important to achieve?
3. If it's so, Can they Actually do it? or Hire someone to do it?
4. Is it too hard?
5. Is it better to hope for an Architectural version of Rhino? than a Grasshopper for ArchiCAD?

thanks to that video, every time I have to edit/create a GDL Object with ArchiCAD, I feel like driving a Ford T.

Thanks for sharing Owen.
Nando Mogollon
Director @ BuilDigital
nando@buildigital.com.au
Using, Archicad Latest AU and INT. Revit Latest (have to keep comparing notes)
More and more... IFC.js, IFCOpenShell
All things Solibri and BIMCollab
Ups
Posted a couple of opinions in the AUGI forum (same thread)... Still civilized but a bit aggressive.
Some gentlemen just don't accept critical thinking.
Nando Mogollon
Director @ BuilDigital
nando@buildigital.com.au
Using, Archicad Latest AU and INT. Revit Latest (have to keep comparing notes)
More and more... IFC.js, IFCOpenShell
All things Solibri and BIMCollab
Anonymous
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owen wrote:
Bricklyne wrote:
But at the end of the day I think it's a moot point and argument because I don't believe there's that much further that GS can take this software on the back of a seriously aging 3D kernel and engine driven by GDL - which, for all its flexibility is a considerably inefficient, clunky and resource-greedy Graphical coding language. You really think it's by accident or negligence that we still have no intuitive graphical user interface and/or module to facilitate the creation of custom objects and to replace GDL coding? It's just natural progression, and at this stage of game, there's not that much room for them to navigate with regards to improving the interface, the workflow nor the program in general.
Grasshopper ....

take a long, hard look at it and tell me ArchiCAD wouldn't benefit immensely from such a simple yet powerful parametric scripting interface like that. Just copy the <b>[censored]</b> thing if you must - it is basically a graphical, drag 'n drop means of putting together a GDL script.

This simple video should be very relevant to mainstream architecture and explains in only a few minutes how good it is. Note at the beginning how you can draw objects in the normal 3D space and capture them to add parametrics ..

http://www.vimeo.com/3152539

can anyone seriously say this would not be one of the most important developments in ArchiCAD's history?

(gotta have something to aim for after TW2)

cheers,

os
I want to study the Archicad,may be it's the best