revit 2010 and autocad 2010

[TMA_80]

Hello everyone:

someone had to create this topic

here are some links to see what's new in the conccurent products:

autocad 2010:
http://heidihewett.blogs.com/my_weblog/2009/02/autocad-2010-wow.html

(download the preview guide)

revit 2010:

http://bimboom.blogspot.com/

on thing is sure, they've done a good job...i'm sure GS will too.

In revit, the panneling tool feature seems intresting ...parametric rules

[edit] i've created this topic then deleted it but it seems always available trough google searching , so ..i repost it...
with a little update: have a look at the autodesk press release especially the video presentation ( the second one )....

[Bricklyne Clarence]

David wrote:
Goodness me i did not know that this trivial statement would raise so many heart felt comments.

Of course you did. And that's why you did it.

And that's why you are what's commonly known as a troll.
But of course you also knew that, right?

Trying to get a rise out of ArchiCAD users by belittling their software of choice and taking comments and posts out of context to make convoluted points about your perceived (read: ignorant - and especially by your own admission) perspective of Revit's superiority.

Trust me; you're not the first we've had here, and you certainly wouldn't be the last.

David wrote:
I see from your user image that you have on a pair of goggles and a snorkel, is that so you can stick your head back in the sand.
(good one I just cracked my self up)
I think we all need to remember that you are trying to defend a software company how would not even know your name, let alone know you exist.
I agree that ADT was a painful experience and a short lived one. (not my choice)
It is only since that AutoDesk took over Revit technologies that ever one is using the term "BIM" ( in Archicad layman terms this means "Bloody Impressive Modeling" ©). which is what you get from Revit.
I see from going through the Archicad user comments on this site there is a very real concern about the future of Archicad as depicted by the guy whipping a dead horse.
I think the writing is on the wall for Archicad.

Since I was responsible for that dead-horse analogy ( as in, 'analogy' to a wishlist issue, and not to the actual existence of the software itself), I'll take this one.

There has always been "real concern about the future of ArchiCAD" from long-time users who enjoy using it and who do actually care about its future. Ever since long before Revit existed as a software, in fact. Just because we're harder on Graphisoft to produce a better quality of software than casual users doesn't mean that its because we believe that "writing is on the wall for Archicad".

ArchiCAD users always raise issues, complaints, demands and concerns about the software; just as the dedicated users of any other software out there do for their software- including Revit. It's part of the reason why forums like this exist. It's also why forums like the AUGI Revit forums also exist. Difference is that you'll hardly find ArchiCAD users over there trying to mock Revit users, or Revit software. Try to ask yourself why that is, sometime - when you do grow up, that is.

There are actually a lot of mature, intelligent Revit users on this Forum (like Wes, Chad etc) who are able to make objective, and constructive comparisons and contributions to the forum without devolving into grade school comments and childish unprovoked insults unlike yourself.

You could do a great deal to learn from the likes of them. Or not. Rather than perpetuating a tired old stereotype of the Johnny-come-lately oafish Revit trolls with too much time on their hands.

[Rakela Raul]

below an opinion from someone that knows both :

I have learned both revit and archi well, and the two both are best..two programs have plus and min..I have some staf that I taught them archi cause archi has easy to learn interface. I myself still work in revit cause revit like more intuitive for me as an civil engineer..In my day work,I still handle the two programs from co worker..a key is, archi is more like from architec for architec while revit is more like from engineer for engineer and architec who works in architecture, structure and mep..

[Aaron Bourgoin]

@Rakela

you mean you actually understand this post? at first i thought it was trying to emulate the poetic style of appleapple, but now i'm not so sure.

[Rakela Raul]

@Rakela

you mean you actually understand this post? at first i thought it was trying to emulate the poetic style of appleapple, but now i'm not so sure.

now you sent me to re-read the entire post !!

[Anonymous]

What's even funnier is that "appleapple" posts all the time on the Revit forums and has pi$$ed off the moderators so much with his bizarre ESL prose that they routinely ban him whenever he appears with a new identity.

We just HAD to share him with you guys

As for my thoughts on Revit 2010 -- the new form tools are pretty cool, but I am unlikely to have a chance to use them. And unfortunately they only work with the massing tools in Revit, so you can't use them for day-to-day modeling. The new ribbon is a space hog, but good for newbies more than the old hands; we find it makes us less productive if you use the UI to get work done. As someone who uses the keyboard to activate commands the ribbon will merely be a minor annoyance.

Of most interest for me (who is interested in all the plumbing behind the fancy interface) is that they're switching Revit over to DirectX 9 acceleration instead of OpenGL. Evidently troubleshooting OGL as a developer is exceedingly difficult, and as Microsoft pre-tests drivers for use with DX, you're almost assured of success in the graphics display department. Not to mention that ATI and nVidia were only too happy to sell you "professional" CAD cards at bloated prices over almost identical consumer level cards. With DirectX, all that business is history!

Revit 2009 was a dog in the display department -- pans and zooms were MUCH slower than in v2008, so we're hoping that getting around in v2010 and beyond will be faster than it has ever been.

[Rob]

Goodness me i did not know that this trivial statement would raise so many heart felt comments.

I see from your user image that you have on a pair of goggles and a snorkel, is that so you can stick your head back in the sand.

very good mate, finally a sign of your intelligence indeed... what a feral chuff...

[Rob]

Wes,

and as Microsoft pre-tests drivers for use with DX, you're almost assured of success in the graphics display department.

I am always cautious when someone mentions words 'Microsoft and drivers' too close to each other. I hope it will not turn sour for you fellas as Microsoft has a 'pre-tested reputation' in that regard.
The great blunder of Vista does not necessarily mean that Win7's associated technologies (such as DX) will shine as never before (being essentially a polished version of Vista itself).

[Anonymous]

DX has been kicking around for quite a while and I had pooh-poohed it as gamer's stuff rather than something the professional would need.

However, with the poor management of OGL, Autodesk has had to look at alternative technologies moving forward.

The attached PDF explains the move. This explains why the Inventor team went to DX; the rest of the Autodesk family of apps is switching over presently if they have not already.

[Anonymous]

DX is definatelly the best move.

[Rob]

DX is definatelly the best move.

not in the case of developing software for two platforms though.

However in the case of Revit tied completely to Win programing API you should not really bite the hand that feeds you I suppose... so DX is probably the best choice for Autodesk.