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ARCHICAD 21 announced - how do you like the new features?

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Please see the announcement and info about the new features here:

http://www.graphisoft.com/archicad/

Let us use this thread to discuss the new features of the program.

On the above page there is also a link using which you can register to watch the ARCHICAD 21 Event.
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Jere
Enthusiast
I spoke with a Graphisoft rep at a recent conference. He mentioned that a RVT family importer was in the works for this version or the next. Does anyone know if this is the case?

I do a few projects with systems furniture and similar products where being able to import a .rvt family would be extremely helpful.
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Yay ! We are still getting the boxes for 21 and for future versions the box is an optional extra.

Barry Kelly
Moderator
mthd wrote:
Yay ! We are still getting the boxes for 21 and for future versions the box is an optional extra.
I need a new monitor stand.
My old version 13 box is getting a bit squashed now - needs replacing.

Barry.

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Anonymous
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Oh ! Is that what the box is for Barry

Barry Kelly
Moderator
mthd wrote:
Oh ! Is that what the box is for Barry
Yeah, the last decent door stop was version 6.5 that had about 6 printed manuals in it.
These new ones just don't have the weight for that.

Barry.

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stefan
Booster
You never forget the feeling when you receive your first ARCHICAD box... Even though all you need today is pure digital: download, reference documentation and a software license.


On another note: let's not forget that GS has the tendency to develop features that take more than one release to be integrated widely and you may just see the full impact over a few versions e.g. glimpses of classification which were already in place in AC20 (together with the property system) and which will hopefully continue in the future, to not only cover element & zone classification.


And while we're at it... maybe it's time to get rid of the "tools" a bit more: it's not simply a "Wall" with the wall tool or a "Column" with the Column tool... There are
  • parametric objects (Window, Door, Object, Skylight...)

    freeform geometry (Morphs, Shells, Meshes),

    planar elements which can (or should be able to) host openings (Walls, Roofs, Slabs) and which can be layered

    Profiled elements (Wall, Beam, Column, now also in Objects)

    Hierarchic elements (Curtain Wall, Stair, Railing).
With the classification you are more free to give them any meaning which makes sense in the project and not be restrained by the initial geometric behaviour.
This is also more in line with current, complex projects and what is happening in other software too.
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stefan wrote:
You never forget the feeling when you receive your first ARCHICAD box... Even though all you need today is pure digital: download, reference documentation and a software license.


On another note: let's not forget that GS has the tendency to develop features that take more than one release to be integrated widely and you may just see the full impact over a few versions e.g. glimpses of classification which were already in place in AC20 (together with the property system) and which will hopefully continue in the future, to not only cover element & zone classification.


And while we're at it... maybe it's time to get rid of the "tools" a bit more: it's not simply a "Wall" with the wall tool or a "Column" with the Column tool... There are
  • parametric objects (Window, Door, Object, Skylight...)

    freeform geometry (Morphs, Shells, Meshes),

    planar elements which can (or should be able to) host openings (Walls, Roofs, Slabs) and which can be layered

    Profiled elements (Wall, Beam, Column, now also in Objects)

    Hierarchic elements (Curtain Wall, Stair, Railing).
With the classification you are more free to give them any meaning which makes sense in the project and not be restrained by the initial geometric behaviour.
This is also more in line with current, complex projects and what is happening in other software too.
Let's also not forget that GS have a tendency and habit of introducing these big new tools every couple of new versions, and then abandoning any further development on them when they direly could use improvement.

Biggest example for me being the Curtain Wall Tool, which when they introduced it in Version 12, the building used to advertise it on the box,...in Budapest (I forget the name), little did we know at the time that it was (and frankly speaking, STILL is) virtually impossible to model the roof or upper part of that curtail wall structure (the curved part) with the curtain wall tool as it was (and is) and that the people who built the model (also the model used as a demo for the then BIMx progenitor..BIMexplorer) achieved this feat using custom GDL object modelling (which is still out of reach for most archiCAD users for that level of GDL scripting).
Suffice it to say there was a level of false advertising involved in that, but we let it slide in the hopes that this would get rectified in subsequent versions but it never was.



You still can NOT model that building as is, - NINE whole versions and almost a decade later - with the current curtain wall tool.
And that's a shame.
There was a similar issue with the custom profiler when it was first introduced in version 10 and being incapable of doing curved profiles, but at least in that case that was rectified a version later in version 11.

Let's hope the new Stair Tool (and Rail tool) don't fall into the same trap of stagnated development and that this isn't the last we see of any improvements on the two of them.

(*Similarly a Morph 2.0 and a possible Shell 2.0 would be nice, following in the example of Teamwork 2.0 which was a significant leap from the original. Just things to consider.)

Bricklyne wrote:
(*Similarly a Morph 2.0 and a possible Shell 2.0 would be nice, following in the example of Teamwork 2.0 which was a significant leap from the original. Just things to consider.)
In terms of shell, just being able to adjust the angle of edges like you could do with slabs/roofs and for shells and multiplane roofs to be able to allign the textures so your fills line up in elevation and plan the same way would be a nice start
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sinceV6
Participant
Hi.

So finally had the time to look the KCC, new features videos and things being posted here and facebook group regarding AC21. Learned some time ago not to have any expectations for each release until watching those and more info came afloat. While the new tools are actually welcomed -and disregarding the current bugs and findings being posted on facebook- considering all the work that has been put into them, I see them as the long-overdue-overhaul-new-stair-tool and the keep-up-with-industry-standards-and-requirements-new-railing-tool. That's it. AC should have had these years ago, although looking at the new features per release web page, one can understand the work being done each release.

The way I see it, nothing will change until the modeling kernel is revamped, and I don't see that happening soon -GDL being the core- (unless it is the biggest and best kept secret in AC's history). But let's not forget this is software... it may not be easy, but it can always be rewritten/upgraded. If AllPlan could integrate a parasolid modeling kernel, and Aut*desk could rewrite 3dsMax's basic modeling kernel for high poly count and viewport code, GS should've branched this out as well a few years ago. The grasshopper integration is a nice addition, and I agree that AC can't do it all, but it definitely can do more: converting nurbs to segmented geometry is a no no, and a slow performing model with a few million polys is not good for today's standards.

To me, the most useful features are
1. The integration of autotext in labels, no GDL needed. This is what GS should aim for regarding GDL. Want to keep it because it is efficient? Make it so a user can create anything without writing code.
2. The constant display of contours & shadows, faster feedback of the OpenGL 3D window and 3D styles as a set of rules. High quality textures in full 3D models you can walk into create the best presentation tool.
3. The new classification system and its integration in other parts of AC. This will greatly improve some workflows.

Let's see how this new version performs.
Best regards.

TMA_80
Contributor
As many here, I find the stair tool a long overdue enhancement and I congratulate Graphisoft for the quality of the effort considering the complex task.
The stair is finally behaving as any other tool in Archicad. ( A sort of what Cadimage had almost achieved with Staribuilder and even their railing tool)
What it is however obviously missing is the multistory stairs and "ramps" ...(I just hope these will not be the next big features of ArchiCAD 22 … )
There is also that feeling that some practical features (even ramps) are kept on hold so to justify next version, although importants.

I think a lot of us, taken on count the ongoing work on the rhino - archicad workflow, expected an enhancement on the nurb and Curve handeling ( although it seems sort of better ).

I hope some other tools will have, as the stair tool, the same care especially those for which devlopment has stopped (curtain wall ie as mentionned above)
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rob2218
Contributor
with regards to the railing as it relates to the new stairs...any videos showing how to use the new railing tool and how to associate it to the stairs?
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rob2218 wrote:
with regards to the railing as it relates to the new stairs...any videos showing how to use the new railing tool and how to associate it to the stairs?
The most straightforward and easiest way is to use the Magic wand route.

Once you've set up your railing settings in the tool settings (or you can leave that for afterwards, if you prefer) hold the space bar (on PC; not sure what the Mac analogue to make the magic wand appear is) until the cursor turns into the magic wand icon and then move that to the side of the stair you want to associate the rail with (best to do this in the 3D window although you can do it in plan view as well), and as one of the new improvements of the magic wand in version 21, before releasing the spacebar, it will give you a preview of the railing in schematic form.
This is important as it allows you to associate the rail to BOTH a stair and a slab edge at the top or bottom of where the stair begins or ends as you run the magic wand along both the stair edge and the slab edge you want to associate it with and then once it looks right in the schematic view preview, then release the space bar to finish the creation process and the railing will be created that's associated to one or both.

For slab edges it's pretty straight forward with running the magic want to the edge of the slab and then adjust is as necessary to eliminate the sides you don't want a railing on.

In edit mode you can then disassociate segments of the railing as needs be, but until that point any adjustment to the slab edge or stair, will update the railing accordingly.

It's pretty nifty and intuitive.

The only negative I'll give is that they are not associative with ramps and that for that matter,(as others a have already pointed out) ramps weren't updated along with (or as part of) the stair tool since they are effectively part of the same "vocabulary", so to speak, in a building's structural hierarchy. They are subject to a lot of the same accessibility, safety and general building code requirements as stairs are in most cases and in many others entirely substitute for the use of stairs in large parts of buildings.

A big (and inexplicable and incomprehensible) misstep on GS part in this regard in my opinion.

Oh, and I forgot to add that the Graphisoft/ArchiCAD YouTube channel is great resource for tutorial or demo videos showing how the new features work in slightly more detail and specifically the stair and railing tools (I should have led with that).

They uploaded a couple of videos in the past few weeks that you might have missed, a lot of which specifically address your queries.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Archicad/videos

Rafal SLEK
Booster
rob2218 wrote:
with regards to the railing as it relates to the new stairs...any videos showing how to use the new railing tool and how to associate it to the stairs?
Thats interesting discovery for me - no dedicated video for new Railing Tool at all
The only one demonstration you'll find in Premiere Event demonstration video, watch from 32'55" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrYI1Mwjxd4
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Rafal SLEK
Booster
Bricklyne wrote:
Oh, and I forgot to add that the Graphisoft/ArchiCAD YouTube channel is great resource for tutorial or demo videos showing how the new features work in slightly more detail and specifically the stair and railing tools (I should have led with that).

They uploaded a couple of videos in the past few weeks that you might have missed, a lot of which specifically address your queries.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Archicad/videos
Would you be so kind and give me direct link to video about Railing Tool?
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Railing-related clips are coming soon on the ARCHICAD YouTube Channel.
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