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ArchiCAD 18 announced

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Find the official announcement and new features at:

http://www.graphisoft.com/archicad/archicad-18/overview/
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DGSketcher
Rockstar
mkopecky wrote:
To have multiple design and/or phase options with extra layers, create a Planned Filter option, duplicate it and rename it to Planned Filter Option 2 (or Phase 2), duplicate and rename as many as you want.
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Pretty nice feature but not well documented.
Thanks for this. Hope you don't mind but I have reposted here...

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=228538#228538
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Thank you mkopecky!!! I had never properly understood / appreciated before what the "pin to renovation filter" button did. (another example perhaps of some of the already existing features / workarounds in AC that could be better documented / explained by GS? - Knowing / understanding this feature of the Renovation Filter could have saved me an awful lot of time messing around with separate model files for different design options) - Why isn't this feature being highlighted by Graphisoft (and just improved a little -surely it would take very little to tweak this one?)

Whilst Peter_h is correct - this won't work with phasing where elements need to be shown across multiple (but not necessarily all) filters. It does however go some of the way towards meeting my needs - i.e. being able to create different design options all within one model (without using complex multiple layer settings).

Peter_h wrote:
Likewise with design options -- an element may need to be present in multiple options, whereas at the moment, it can only be visible exclusively in one.
But you can "unpin" these particular elements (from renovation filter), and then they will show across all the different design options - No?

Anonymous
Not applicable
Thanks Rob,

What I meant, in regards to objects, was use of 'scenography' approach and not only BIM functional building parts that are becoming more available these days and therefore part of our building model.

In oder to explain myself bit better right now I am using Artlantis and all those 'rendering' object do not unnecessary clutter my model. I can imagine that layers will help in organizing the file but something like hot linked file may allow for more elaborated model that carries only relevant info.

Anyhow I would think that the best understanding will have to come from experiencing and learning this new challenging but very cool AC functionality.

Using C4D engine for animation within AC will need better controls although I admit that I didn't use this since 2002 (it was AC7, todays AC17 animation is probably the same).

So many new surfaces and materials, hopefully those are organized so to follow Master Format numbering system (I already spent quite bit of time to organize my building materials and ...far from being done).

Regards, Andy

Stephen Dolbee
Booster
With the introduction of C4D, does this mean bimx files/models will benefit as well?
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Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
Stephen wrote:
With the introduction of C4D, does this mean bimx files/models will benefit as well?
No. BIMx has its own separate render engine as now.
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owen
Newcomer
peter_h wrote:

I have to disagree. IMO, this is another example of one GS's good ideas crippled by its bad habit of not following though and finishing things properly to make them REALLY useful (Take the Selections palette as a classic example).
The "pin" you refer to is the "Show on this renovation filter ONLY" button. Which means that a "pinned" element can ONLY be shown visible in ONE filter ONLY. It's a very inflexible one-to-one relationship. As an example of why this doesn't work, take the "building phases" example: phase 3 needs to include elements that have been "previously built" in phase 2 and phase 1. With the "pin button" used as you described, an element can only exist in one phase.

Likewise with design options -- an element may need to be present in multiple options, whereas at the moment, it can only be visible exclusively in one.

A the very least, it would have been way more useful if GS had changed this button to "Exclude selected element(s) from this filter" rather than "Show only on this filter". In which case the button could have been used to successfully implement phasing and design options (though it still feels like a work-around solution, compared to being able to add your own custom "tags").

As it stands, yet more frickin layers have to be added to the project -- including updating all your layer combinations -- a really 1990s solution, IMHO.
On the topic of the Renovation Filter although I think it is great for certain use cases it is also another of those (admittedly rare) cases where i think they could have looked at what the competition was doing and come up with a better (more flexible and powerful) solution. Anyone familiar with the power of Revits Filters will understand:

1. Filter elements by criteria (Layer, ID, Wall Type, IFC Properties like Fire Rating, Thermal Rating, etc)
2. Show/Hide or Apply overrides to that filter (Fill, Pens, Linetypes, etc)

Simple concept, super flexible. Can do everything the Renovation Filter can do but way more. Color code particular element types, Fire Rating plans, Thermal plans, Phasing plans, etc. Control the appearance of your linked MEP models based on their IFC properties (Cyan begone!)

Thats proper BIM and it would remove sooo many 2D workarounds and hacks we have to do currently
peter_h wrote:
As you can guess, I'm a big fan of the dream of adding custom tags to elements and implementing tag filters to define their visibility on any view. I think this should programmatically be an easy feature for GS to add, and would MASSIVELY simplify the current layer mess we have decended into. The more you think about it, the more you realise its potential, and wonder why on earth this wasn't a priority ten versions ago.
above would sort this too, but you can sort-of do this already if you are willing to do a little GDL scripting. We have developed labels that change their content/appearance dependent on the drawing type as assigned in the Model View Options (drawing type is another custom parameter added in our in-house Library Globals script).
cheers,

Owen Sharp

Design Technology Manager
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kevin b
Participant
Dan wrote:

I too had really been hoping that Graphisoft would include some kind of Phasing or Design Options Filter. I would have thought all this really requires is an extension of the Renovation Filter (which I think is a great tool) - so as well as current Existing, Demolition, Proposed filters, you could have Proposed Option A, Option B etc.....Currently design options have to be modelled either by having duplicate models (a pain), or overly complex layer combinations (also a pain)
You can make as many renovation filters as you want. Name them Option A, Option B, etc then activate Option A filter, select any of the elements that are only part of Option A and click the show on current renovation filter only button. Then once you decide on an Option you can find and select only those elements and reset them back to show on all relevant filters. You do need to get a bit creative if you have some things that are part of say A & C but not B but it is much easier to control than all the crazy layers and better in the long run than multiple stories for Options due to view management.

Not sure if it is demonstrated or marketed this way but it is actually very useful. Now if we could just get the composite skins too...
kevin s burns, AIA

massachusetts, usa



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TMA_80
Booster
kevin wrote:
Now if we could just get the composite skins too...
Why could not this be implemented as a hotfix ...
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Dan wrote:

And why still no update to the Renovation Tool so you can set the renovation status of individual skins in composites - currently there is no (easy) way to add say a new external insulation layer to an existing wall, which is a pretty common requirement now for retrofit / refurb. works.

As a small architectural practice doing mainly residential works (ArchiCAD SOLO user), to be honest these kinds on basic productivity improvements would be much more beneficial to me than the integrated C4D Rendering (probably won't come with SOLO Version anyway?), or BIMServer Cloud, but maybe I am not Graphisoft's target customer anymore.
I agree completely.

Anonymous
Not applicable
I am sad to say I agree with the recent posts. It seems Graphisoft is only interested in the big end of town nowadays. However, most architects work in small or solo practices, and it is the Archicad core productivity issues that seem to be repeatedly overlooked (stairmaker anyone?).

However, thanks at last for the Revisions Manager tool. It is these are the type of things that matter to most architects who have to actually produce documentation for clients.

stefan
Enthusiast
From my experience, many of the C4D Shaders are bitmap-based. Some are procedural. If ArchiCAD supports whatever C4D has, fine, but I'm pretty sure that there will be reasons to still have a C4D license.

I guess visualisation entourage is best placed in a new, empty file, with the model as a hotlink module, to keep the scene from cluttering.

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Stairmaker... well. It will come eventually. Maybe they leave it in, to have at least some reason-to-exist for Cigraph and Cadimage and the likes.

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Renovation filter but no phasing? > this could be extended with custom tags (= allowing any given tag to any object) and tag-based filtering. One solution (for which every technical implementation seems already in-place in current ArchiCAD) that can be used for renovation projects, phased projects, historical research, LOD tagging, project planning, false-color visualisation (e.g. display structural load-bearing elements in blue, non-loadbearing in green etc...).

It will be complex to set up but provide endless flexibility. Do it before Autodesk does and patents the concept.
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MSotero
Participant
The improvements appear to be very welcome!

While the rendering engine seems nice and the videos are helpful, the seemingly complex (scientific) nature of figuring out great rendering settings for materials still seems tedious. It might be helpful if Graphisoft posts settings for various materials over time as a starting point for users and/or continues developing helpful videos about it.

The youtube videos of the revision manager seem to show a fairly extensive implementation. It will be interesting to see if it can really do everything desired.

After viewing the revision manager videos, it brings to mind something far more important to me. Namely, a proper Keynote system at the same level of thought and integration as the revision manager. Given that Keynotes are needed for every drawing, its priority seems self evident for me.

Anyhow, AC18 seems like a step forward. Will be nice to put it to work.

Graphisoft Connect
Graphisoft Alumni
Graphisoft Alumni
Dan wrote:
And why still no update to the Renovation Tool so you can set the renovation status of individual skins in composites - currently there is no (easy) way to add say a new external insulation layer to an existing wall, which is a pretty common requirement now for retrofit / refurb. works.
Would this help?
youtu.be/5_SgGNG7f8I
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http://www.gsconnect.co.uk

kevin b
Participant
Can you add multiple accessories to the same wall? For instance, one placed with Demo renovation filter and one placed with New, so that you could show stripping off of old material and adding new.
kevin s burns, AIA

massachusetts, usa



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Jussi_
Contributor
I read that WIBU dongles need to be changed, since AC18 does not support it any more. New dongle does not support older than AC10 versions. This is really bad to us who have used ArchiCAD since 3.1.
Buildings have a long lifespan. Those designed with very old ArchiCAD versions need renovations now or in few years. Big projects can handle tedious conversion fixes. Conversions do not work flawlessly.
Usually customers need tiny fixes to their old buildings, work that can be done in an hour or two if old ArchiCAD version is used. To convert to AC 18 and fix all that has changed can take hours. Before the work that you get paid can be started.

My point is that old users need to access to old ArchiCAD documents with ArchiCAD they were created. Without conversion hassle (and numerous errors). This should be paying customers choice. Keep those obsolete machines, operating systems and software versions.

To me is much easier to skip new ArchiCAD versions than give up access to old ones.

I would like to hear Graphisoft solution to this.
And I have converted old documents with tools we now have. I am expert on this matter. It is tedious and pointless, if job can be done in old version without errors immediately. If you take tedious conversion method, errors are found during the whole project lifespan.
And in some cases conversion is the right way to proceed - but your customers do know which one is right to them! According to project they have in hand.

Rick Thompson
Enthusiast
Jussi_ wrote:
I read that WIBU dongles need to be changed, since AC18 does not support it any more. .
Not sure where you read that, but my old blue wibu dongle works fine with 18 beta, and there was no mention of an issue after release, that I have heard. Most of the files I still use, daily, were started in the 90's, and I never have issues other than library parts. That that was help a lot with the migration libraries and auto conversion. Changing over from Plotmaker was the biggest hassle, but obviously worth it.
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Graphisoft Connect
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Graphisoft Alumni
kevin wrote:
Can you add multiple accessories to the same wall? For instance, one placed with Demo renovation filter and one placed with New, so that you could show stripping off of old material and adding new.
Unfortunately not - a wall can only hold one accessory.

We can update the Ac18 version of the object to display differently on different renovation filters, but a particular status would need to be applied to the overall accessory object.
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Chazz
Booster
AC 18: Not interested. Disappointed in the direction of the development since 16 (love the morph tool and the ability to import skp files). The idea of such sophisticated rendering capability running natively in the tool is absurd. Proof of this is in the rendering demos which are horrendous admissions of failure. You could spend the rest of your life just fiddling aimlessly with the endless settings to get a good concrete texture. Is that an improvement? Simplifying the long neglected (and equally obtuse) Sketch Renderer would have been more welcome. But with very rare exception GS does not iterate and perfect features once they are released. Photo-realism is why they invented consultants.

I know you didn't ask (and are probably no longer reading anyway) but do you know what I want? My number one needed feature? As someone who does less and less pure architecture and more "branded environments" and trade show booths, what I need is materials and mapped images to show up in elevations, sections and 3D documents .

Wouldn't that be helpful?

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I feel much better now.
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Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
Chazz wrote:
Photo-realism is why they invented consultants.
Although some consultants are a bit sketchy. 😉
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Stress Co_
Advisor
Chazz wrote:
Proof of this is in the rendering demos which are horrendous admissions of failure. You could spend the rest of your life just fiddling aimlessly with the endless settings to get a good concrete texture.
My take-a-way from watching that video... "Ok, now we're completely lost".
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