sinceV6 wrote: GDL is indeed powerful. Very powerful. The logic and "smartness" of properly coded objects is just amazing. Code something right, with plenty of options, and you literally can get thousands of combinations with a single object/code. Revit doesn't come even close in this regard.
GDL is equivalent to Revit's API. So it's as GDL. All of those top notch architects use the API instead of the OOTB family editor.
Not exactly. AC has a separate API. The one that gets you those add-ons and extensions. The GDL scripting enviroment in AC is the equivalent to Revit's OOTB family editor.
Those top notch architects use the API to extend functionality when the software can do what they need, but not OOTB.
Well, i guess then that Archicad is far better then Revit. We should all be happy for using the best software and pity the Revit users.
I'm sounding a bit sarcastic here, but i can't imagine GDL knocking out a curtain system as the sample file by using a few simple C# lines as Revit's API.
GridNode gn = new GridNode();
int u = 0;
while( u < ds.NumberOfUGridlines )
gn.UIndex = u;
int v = 0;
while( v < ds.NumberOfVGridlines )
gn.VIndex = v;
if( ds.IsSeedNode( gn ) )
= ds.GetTileFamilyInstance( gn, 0 );
if( fi != null )
// implement logic here with each tile,
// for example change the type to glazing
fi.Symbol = pFamilySymbol.glazed;
v = v + 1;
u = u + 1;
NCornia wrote: At first I was impressed by that suite for the price, but then I imagined actually trying to manage and install all of those licenses of software and I would need 2 or 3 monster computers to handle all of it. Autodesk is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at their users, why? And how productive are their customers going to actually be? Would you want 10 varied and complicated piece of software, or one efficient and simple piece of software?
The user experience in ArchiCAD is so much more enjoyable than any of those listed in the above suite and I have the best collaboration experience as well. I don't need a 2D cad program when ArchiCAD handles DWGs and layers extremely well.
Good for you. Lets hope more people have the same experience
blobmeister wrote: Cinema 4D is better than 3ds Max as well as MEP modeller is better than RAC MEP. But I guess for Revit users, the suite is the best they can get
I am one of the few sufferers of ArchiCAD MEP here in NZ. I do hope that it has improved in AC15 as many of the bugs weren't ironed out in 14 and I am still to receive resolution from GSHU.
The ArchiCAD guru's I asked for advice found it easier to model in primitives than use MEP....
As a BIM manager for a constructor having Architecture/Structure/MEP in one solution is gold! I do wish that Autodesk hadn't separated out the disciplines. Hey I wish that ArchiCAD was 1 package not lots of little costs....
ac 15 looks great on you tube display but then the workability and profiency will be tested when it hits the market officially.
i head a design team as senior project architect in lagos nigeria and the first firm to use archicad (BIM) for all its project but the trend is changing and revit seems to have taking pole postion causing dual split in the studio.
ac is the best for me so far but they have forgetten about the us(architects), market and what ROI means.
i use to comment back then on what we think should be added to the programe but newer version never got the extra bite we needed. we stopped with ac12 and waited,watched and pulled over to its competitor; that funnily has a market reach over here in nigeria and now adopted as choice software for most architecture schools in my country.
now our market would employ more revit hands that have toyed with its potential compared to ac which started the revolution.
my summary is that graphisoft has no clue of the market and its potential users.
In my opinion part of the problem with GS it the old maxim "By Architects, For Architects" or what have you. This is slightly conflicting with the idea of BIM as it encompasses design>build>operate.
BIM can only be successful when Architects learn that contractors, engineers, etc. have valid knowledge in their respective professions and that communication is possible, and needs to happens if their is to be collaboration at any level.
Don, what can I say? Wow, I have a fan who follows my posts!! :hug: :kiss: :censored:
I do suppose that honesty is not helpful to ArchiCAD users (or maybe only some?). If you are comfortable reveling in a false sense of security based on mis-education resulting in lies then I am definitely not helpful in the slightest.
I have never claimed to not prefer Revit. I use ArchiCAD on a frequent basis, and can see much merit. I can also see a more balanced view than most. I am going to be demonstrating the ArchiCAD MEP add-on(add-in, plug-in, thingimy) at our local BIM (ArchiCAD) Meeting, based on 9 months of intensive use, which could be considered helpful to the ArchiCAD community. You will notice references (if you did really read all my posts :smooch:) to my finding some simple broken functionality which highlights one of two things.
1. No one actually uses the MEP to model systems... or,
2. ArchiCAD users are too busy complaining about Revit to actually submit useful bug reports (the reseller here confirms that this is often the case). But why would one need to improve their already perfect product.
So, as I don't subscribe to the idea of the 'noble savage' I will not subscribe to either package being better (only better suited to certain tasks) nor that many users of all software packages avoid using ignorance as a weapon to feebly attempt to hide their ineptitude.
Fortunately I parade my ignorance until brave warriors like yourself drag me into the light of enlightenment!
archibaldo wrote: Most of archicad users are NOT Autocad-users converted to Archicad-Users like the most Revit-users are .
I was never an AutoCAD user (I was vector works and struggled with their attempt at 3D), and have met many AutoCAD users who despise Revit for being very different. Basically Flat CAD requires less construction knowledge, and a successful modeller requires construction knowledge.
archibaldo wrote: Future architecture students may be attracted by Archicad or by Autodesk
I will support Archicad and i'm sure - that competition is good for both !
I do agree. Competition keeps everyone working toward making better product, and ultimately the users WIN!!
In many cases I will recommend ArchiCAD over Revit. This will however not change the affinity I have with Revit.
Fear not, I will continue to fight for freedum, just-ice and the american whey.
EDIT: thanks laszlonagy for the wiki. It appears that Graphisoft are gently moving toward some 'Revit' functionality. I do hope that this stills any 'they are copying us' crud, else there will be one nice chunky can of whoop grass opened!
'Single Element' roofs. Very useful!
Associative connections, one of the main reasons I prefer Revit, now brought to you by... Graphisoft...
extruded rotated and ruled (translation = swept) forms
Good to see that big Sister can learn from little Brother!