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Graphisoft and Data Design System Joining Forces

Laszlo Nagy
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Laszlo Nagy, Lead Moderator, Community Admin
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jl_lt
Contributor
you talk about integrated design process but then leave out MEP? in my playbook integrated design process includes MEP even if its designed at the end by third parties.

i look at it this way: Archicad now has integrated mep, even if its not at the level of other players they are now in the conversation. That cannot be a bad a thing.

Mjules
Booster
Architects often think about active design strategies during the design process. An HVAC diagram is enough for them accordingly. Actually the most important aspect in integrated design process is the passive design strategies.
jl_lt wrote:
you talk about integrated design process but then leave out MEP? in my playbook integrated design process includes MEP even if its designed at the end by third parties.

i look at it this way: Archicad now has integrated mep, even if its not at the level of other players they are now in the conversation. That cannot be a bad a thing.
Martin Luther Jules
AC 10-25 (Full)
Alienware | 64 GB RAM | Windows 10

Braza
Newcomer
Jp1138 wrote:
DDS-cad products are said to be great, but here in Spain they are too generic and not adapted to local regulations, at least the last time I cheked, so they are in great dissadvantage against other software solutions.
IMO this is the main reason for the the merge.
As Valeriy Ivanov well demonstrated with his extremely quality MEP libraries, GDL is probably the most powerful tool for MEP object design in the market. Making DDS development within Archicad will certainly deliver great MEP content and workflows. Regarding the MEP calculation tool aspect, I agree with DGSketcher. I think the MEP calculation Addon should be developed as an Addon and purchased apart, but the design/routing function must be part of AC out of the box.
My 2 cts.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
AC24_INT#3008 / I7 / 16Gb / 512Mb SSD / Windows 10

Mjules
Booster
It is a good idea for those who have clients ready to purchase these 3D MEP design services.
Jp1138 wrote:

I think the MEP calculation Addon should be developed as an Addon and purchased apart, but the design/routing function must be part of AC out of the box.
My 2 cts.
Martin Luther Jules
AC 10-25 (Full)
Alienware | 64 GB RAM | Windows 10

Braza
Newcomer
I am more in favor for creating workflows within AC to allow manufacturers easily create, maintain and deploy MEP content free of charge for AC users. These MEP content could be available for users to elaborate simple MEP installations from scratch, where software calculations are not needed/wanted due to the scale or budget of the project. But if the scale/budget of the project needed a dedicated attention, then firms could purchase the addon and automate the design and documentation process. But the addon could also use the same manufactures MEP elements already available for free. Does this makes sense?
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
AC24_INT#3008 / I7 / 16Gb / 512Mb SSD / Windows 10

Mjules
Booster
Good points, Braza!

We, architects and/or designers, need a software to only communicate the design and the information required to bring a building into reality. That's the main point!
Braza wrote:
I am more in favor for creating workflows within AC to allow manufacturers easily create, maintain and deploy MEP content free of charge for AC users. These MEP content could be available for users to elaborate simple MEP installations from scratch, where software calculations are not needed/wanted due to the scale or budget of the project. But if the scale/budget of the project needed a dedicated attention, then firms could purchase the addon and automate the design and documentation process. But the addon could also use the same manufactures MEP elements already available for free. Does this makes sense?
Martin Luther Jules
AC 10-25 (Full)
Alienware | 64 GB RAM | Windows 10

gdford
Booster
Potential I assume this could be a huge deal, but i don't see how this merger could help anything we do in the US market for a decade at best. I suspected the result of this will be to pull resources away from further development of ongoing, chronic issues Archicad has struggled to address.
At some point we just need to make the product actually work like it should before we add in the big guns. Personally i think Graphisoft should just bite the bullet and start over from scratch and build the "real" BIM product. Letting go of legacy requirements would be huge. Someone is going to do this - I would rather it be graphisoft than autodesk...
Gary Ford
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Braza
Newcomer
gdford wrote:
Personally i think Graphisoft should just bite the bullet and start over from scratch and build the "real" BIM product.
I am sure this is THE dream of each and every person in the AC develop team.
I guess all software develop team members must feel like heart transplant surgeons.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
AC24_INT#3008 / I7 / 16Gb / 512Mb SSD / Windows 10

Mjules
Booster
Especially in the event that they have to create an all-in-one BIM software.
I am sure this is THE dream of each and every person in the AC develop team.
I guess all software develop team members must feel like heart transplant surgeons.
Martin Luther Jules
AC 10-25 (Full)
Alienware | 64 GB RAM | Windows 10

hybrid
Booster
Braza wrote:
gdford wrote:
Personally i think Graphisoft should just bite the bullet and start over from scratch and build the "real" BIM product.
I am sure this is THE dream of each and every person in the AC develop team.
I guess all software develop team members must feel like heart transplant surgeons.
I am sure that in the bowels of the office they are doing this (completely new code) with low priority. but whether it will reach its final conclusion is a big question.
AMD R7 2700 3.8@GHz | 32 Gb RAM | SSD | GTX 1050Ti

jl_lt
Contributor
Its my understanding they have actually already done this in the past a couple of times, so it is expected theyll do it again in the future.

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Yes, indeed, the MEP Modeler functionality was actually a separate product made by a UK company (I think) that Graphisoft acquired in the 2000s before Graphisoft was acquired by the Nemetschek Group.
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Laszlo Nagy, Lead Moderator, Community Admin
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Anonymous
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It will be great whenever the BIM exchanges get working.. which is still a pain..
for your interest have a look at osarch.org
Some are doing great stuff in the open source world.
And a working BIM exchange is to my mind only possible under the Open Bim premise.
So is ifcopenshell THE reference to me.
BlenderBIM can edit ifc directly !! IFC authoring that is new. The help of Graphisoft is wellcome.

Lukas

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