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HELP BUILDING OR PURCHASING OBJECT LIBRARY (Interior Furnishings and Fixtures)

Jeff Galbraith
Participant
We are trying our first project in Archicad, looking at transitioning our office of 20+ staff over from Vectorworks. Modeling the building and getting drawings related has gone pretty well. However we are struggling to find good GDL content to build a library of interior elements such as furniture, light fixtures, plumbing fixture etc. suitable for 3D renderings in addition to plans, elevations. Most of the files I download from websites either don't import correctly (there is no or only partial 3D geometry), are poorly modeled, or they have very little to no GDL functionality. Can anyone tell me what large commercial firms using ArchiCAD do for furniture for interior design plans and renderings? I've spent about a days worth of work searching for, downloading and importing content and have almost nothing to show for it.

Are other firms paying programmers to create their own private libraries of GDL objects, or are they just importing meshes and foregoing BIM functionality for furniture for renderings?

I appreciate the help.

Jeff
ArchiCAD 22, Mac OS X High Sierra
Jeff G
Archicad 23 USA (full), Macbook Pro (16-inch 2019)
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I agree that most GDL furniture libraries are fairly crude. You might look at the parts on www.ddgi.com website. They are somewhat dated, but still work okay. There are a number of contemporary furniture manufacturers that have decent libraries, and there are some lists of those somewhere on this forum. However, you should checkout http://aecobjects.com/ as I think this is likely the way to get the best stuff out there. You would need to check with Archvista to see if this is available for AC22 at this point.
Richard
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Richard Morrison, Architect-Interior Designer
AC25 (since AC6.0), Win10

MrScott
Newcomer
Richard,

Have you explored convert all our existing libraries from You Know who?
MrScott
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No, I haven't. I've occasionally converted a shower plumbing fixture from Chief Architect's library, but these end up pretty much dumb objects with no GDL programming, with a bloated file size, not much different than importing an object from the Sketchup 3D warehouse. And since I'm only doing the ConDocs in AC, with the design done in Chief, really nice-looking furniture in AC isn't much of an issue for me.
Richard
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Richard Morrison, Architect-Interior Designer
AC25 (since AC6.0), Win10

Jeff Galbraith
Participant
Thanks Richard. I took a look at the ddgi library and it's pretty dated. I can't be putting CRT monitors on desks in my renderings!

Sounds like we may be stuck either paying to create our own GDL library (seems crazy given how many people we were told use this software, and we're not a large firm) or importing non-GDL models for renderings only, and keeping 2 separate layers for furniture, each with separate objects located in the same locations. One for the 3D renderings, and one for plan views and scheduling. I hate to do that as it is precisely contrary to the whole notion of BIM.

Jeff
Jeff G
Archicad 23 USA (full), Macbook Pro (16-inch 2019)

Nader Belal
Advisor
My 2 cents

I tried to open the ddgi link but to no use.

Modelport plugin is quiet good one, but it usually generate quiet heavy objects, since it doesn't optimized the generated models.

@Jeff Galbraith I used to work with a client that would usually send me a number of items that he would like have them as ArchiCAD's GDL objects, but with the twist that I had to adapt them to their way of work.

And from that experience I can tell you, that most of the furniture manifacturers are classified in these categories: [list=]
  • Those who have no problem to share their products as 3d Models (the nice guys).
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  • Those who would only share their products only if have opened an online account on them (still the nice guys)
  • [list=]
  • Those who would only give you incomplete models and data (quiet abundant).
  • [list=]
  • Those who would provide faulty models (quiet abundant but not as above).
  • [list=]
  • Those who would provide you with nothing (those are plenty).
  • [list=]
  • Those who would provide you with nothing, but if you want anything you send them your project and they will set up the work for you.
  • But above all this, the reason for such disparity has to do with products protection and copyright, as there are a lot of Chinese manufacturers that visit these same site and will download the models to make copycats with minor modifications and sell it as their own.

    By the way, converting libraries from the dark side of BIM (you know who, that that must not be mentioned), usually is not a good idea unless you know specifically what you want, because:
    • People who usually convert those libraries, do not take into consideration model optimisation for the program/platform that is going to be implemented (either they're lazy, or that they not proficient for this task)
    • That plataform have a different IT design philosophy than that or ArchiCAD.
    Anyway, if you need help, I´m available.
    A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

    Jeff Galbraith
    Participant
    Thanks Moonlight. Sounds like I may need to look at options or having custom library components made by importing 3D geometry available from other sources. Also sounds like it's worthwhile to have that done by someone with the tools to optimize the geometry and attach GDL.

    Evermotion has a ton of models that I would like top leverage, but I haven't yet found a way to import .max files. There is an add-on by Graphisoft and a plugin called model port but it seems that they both will import .3ds files but not .max files. Does anyone know of a workflow for importing .max files without owning a copy of max?
    Jeff G
    Archicad 23 USA (full), Macbook Pro (16-inch 2019)

    Can't help with .MAX files, but you can also look at the RFA & RVT Geometry Exchange here: https://bim6x.com/solutions

    Does a pretty good job of converting Revit objects, and it's free.
    Richard
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    Richard Morrison, Architect-Interior Designer
    AC25 (since AC6.0), Win10

    Nader Belal
    Advisor
    @Jeff

    Well, Moonlight is my nickname, in reality my name is Nader Belal ....

    I´m that guy that you're searching for ...
    A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

    Nader Belal
    Advisor
    @Richard Morrison

    RFA & RVT Geometry Exchange ... well I was impressed by the plugin (even though I haven't tested it extensively), these people actually have done a good job, but we get the same issues that we I have been talking before

    1. The object will not be optimised

    2. And this case happened to me, you also have to take into consideration who made the objects in Revit, cause some are totally careless in modelling ... and it wasn't the programs fault
    A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

    atfonit
    Newcomer
    Moonlight - i have been pointed to you regarding a problem i have with a "path too long" error message when i try and add in a library.

    i am on Windows 7 prof. AC22. Version international.

    Any idea how to fix the problem. See me original thread.
    thanks for your help.xx
    siad
    AC24 • PC CPU @ 3.6GHz Intel Core i7 6850K | 32 GB ram • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 • OS Windows 10 Professional •

    Barry Kelly
    Moderator
    atfonit wrote:
    Any idea how to fix the problem. See me original thread.
    thanks for your help.xx

    The original thread is here and there is a link in there to Moonlight's post.


    https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=66190


    Barry.

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    Nader Belal
    Advisor
    @atfonit

    Look, the only solution to the last mentioned problem, is to change the location of your uploaded library part so that you never reach the 260 characters mark (path, filename, and file extension included), and that is the easy fix.

    On other hand, I was asking that if I can extend the characters path limit safely in windows, why ArchiCAD does't accept it !!!
    A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

    Barry Kelly
    Moderator
    Moonlight wrote:
    On other hand, I was asking that if I can extend the characters path limit safely in windows, why ArchiCAD does't accept it !!!
    It is probably coded that way in Archicad.
    Until a few years ago we could only have something like 16 characters for the element ID and many other fields had very low restrictions as well.
    I think some still have restrictions but they have been increased fortunately.

    Barry.

    One of the forum moderators.
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    stefan_c
    Newcomer
    @Jeff GalbraithNew please have a look at our online library www.bimarium.com. Let me know if I can be of any help.

    Nicola Gardoni
    Contributor
    Dear Jeff
    if you need architectural lighting fixture please see my post:
    https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58038&p=303601&hilit=simes#p303601

    SIMES S.p.A. (made in Italy) produces outdoor lighting fixtures but some models can be installed also in indoor.
    All lcf file are free available on our website and are complete of 3D shape+IES file so the light effect are closed to the reality. Please test them on your project and let me know.

    Have a nice day
    Nicola
    SIMES S.p.a.

    Nader Belal
    Advisor
    @Jeff Gabriel

    Here is a collection of decent GDLs repositeries

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/archicad-espa%C3%B1a/repositorio-de-archicad-espa%C3%B1a-de-objetos-g...
    A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

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