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Insanely slow layouts in Teamwork

vfrontiers
Contributor
Over the last couple of weeks (maybe more)... the Layouts in my project have become insanely slow... Simply trying to PAN can lag in the area of 15sec... Trying to SELECT and move a drawing on the layout even more...

Even just trying to add a Text Label onto the layout is excruciating.

Are there any tips or avenues for me to pursue to diagnose this?

These are NOT updating problems... this is happening AFTER I've already waited 1 to 2 min for a sheet of sections to update...

I cannot determine if this is happening OUTSIDE of TEAMWORK... I'll try and check that out sometime this week.

Yes, certain drawings, such as site plans are somewhat 2d intensive (lots of fills, etc)... But this seems MUCH slower than I recall.
Duane
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Here is something you can try:

In the Drawing Manager, you can select all Drawings placed on Layouts, go to their Drawing Settings Dialog, and set the "On-Screen Preview" field from "Full Precision" to "Quick Preview" so those 2D-heavy Drawings take much less time to redraw.
That may help to speed it up a little bit.
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vfrontiers
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I did try that... without much success... really had to go to NO PREVIEW to be workable...

I'll keep an eye on it....
Duane
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Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hello Duane,

Thank you very much for the report and I am very sorry about the experience!

Before diving deeper into the technical detail, I would like to ask whether the problem only happens in Teamwork or it also happens if you save the project as a solo file and work on it in solo mode? This will help us to understand whether the slowness comes from Teamwork operations or from the project itself.

Thank you very much for your help. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Some suggestions from past experience: in the past I've noticed that views placed on layouts can be much slower than the actual view opened for editing.

Especially imported 2D files can have thousands of duplicate lines that bring layout to a crawl.

Things like tree 'symbols' from 3rd party site drawings or imported details from manufacturers have had loads of sloppy drafting / duplicate lines.

Sometimes having too much on a single worksheet (like having all the 2D details for a project on one single worksheet) is also too much.
Erwin Edel, Project Lead, Leloup Architecten
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vfrontiers
Contributor
Agree with all of the above... And yes... seems like 2d stuff is much more difficult to archicad to contend with... Unfortunately, I'm not willing to give up my GRAPHICS...

So... in general, SITE PLANS (with 2d topo lines and organic fill patterns) and Elevations with STIPPLES or ROCK textures are the usual suspects... But, they tell part of my story, so I can't just TURN THEM OFF...

Regarding the TW vs. unshared aspect... I work about 90% in teamwork, so I don't have a good comparison. I am sure it's happened in both environments.
Duane
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Duane,

If you don't have it installed, I can recommend the Check Duplicates addon from the Goodies.

It will show you if the view has any duplicate lines and give you the option to select them so you can delete them or hide them on a hidden layer if you feel like keeping them to be safe.

Detailed fills by themselves make things slower, but shouldn't bring things to a crawl, I find it's ussually thousands of duplicate lines from 3rd party imported drawings.
Erwin Edel, Project Lead, Leloup Architecten
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Barry Kelly
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Don't forget with lines and fills you also have the 'Consolidation' tools.

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vfrontiers
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Barry.... right... but in my case it's not a LOT OF FILLS but FILLS of a HEAVY NATURE...

And lines are mostly due to TOPOs... so nothing "overlapping" just a lot of them...

SIDEBAR: About a year ago I found a utility for AUTOCAD that reduces the number of nodes in a POLY LINE.. I use it specifically for TOPOS imported from civil. Sometimes their resolution seems to be 3" increments! on a 5 acre hillside, that's insane!

My goal was to reduce so I could SPACEBAR CLICK to create my terrain...

Works really well for that! (it does require you to have a working copy of AutoCAD, tho.
Duane
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If it is only the fills, maybe try switching off vectorial hatching when opening the layout? As a workaround to make things manageable.

View > On-Screen View Options > Vectorial Hatching

You should get a bitmap pattern instead.
Erwin Edel, Project Lead, Leloup Architecten
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Lingwisyer
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utility for AUTOCAD that reduces the number of nodes in a POLY LINE

PLDiet for anyone who is interested. The one I use anyway.



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Eli Chiasson
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Erwin wrote:
If it is only the fills, maybe try switching off vectorial hatching when opening the layout? As a workaround to make things manageable.

View > On-Screen View Options > Vectorial Hatching

You should get a bitmap pattern instead.
Woah, this is a nice tip! Thanks Erwin. Layout speed is often something we struggle with as our projects get more developed. I just tried this out and it did make things quicker.
Eli Chiasson
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Glad it helped, just remember to turn it back on or you will go crazy wondering why your views you look wrong
Erwin Edel, Project Lead, Leloup Architecten
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