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Drawings jumping on layouts

TheresaAPD
Newcomer
I am having a glitch in one file only (in version 22). I first noticed this problem because I tried re-linking a plan drawing on a layout (I always crop my first floor plan to look nice, then copy the drawing to another layout and re-link the drawing to the second floor plan so that the plans line up perfectly). The second floor plan jumped on the page and was no where close to aligning with the first floor plan. I did some investigating and learned that whenever I redefined the view settings (by clicking "Get Current Window's Settings" in the View Settings), my drawings change position on the layout. The drawing on the layout is set to have a "Manually resized frame." The boundaries stay in the same position as originally drawn but the drawing moves inside that frame. The problem seems to only be with plan views. I have compared a normal functioning project side by side with this one and I believe I have all the same settings selected. I tried saving new views, but those still had the same problem. I also tried saving the file as a solo project, but the problem persisted.

Graphisoft's "solution" was to redefine the view settings of the first floor, navigate up a story and redefine the view settings of the second floor so that they are both saved with the same zoom. I'm sorry, that is not a solution. I re-link every plan view to align perfectly on the layouts (floor plans, structural plans, mechanical plans, electrical plans, etc.). There are 3-4 plans for each category. I am not about to manually re-save all of those views with the exact same zoom and still risk things moving if a team member re-saves the view with a different zoom. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this?
Versions 11 to 22
Dell Precision T1650, i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16GB RAM, Windows 10 64-bit
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DGSketcher
Rockstar
Are you using the Drawing's internal origin as anchor? This will stop views moving around if the drawing size or boundary changes.
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TheresaAPD
Newcomer
I have tested both checking and unchecking that box. The drawing will still move if the view settings are re-defined or if I re-link to a different floor.
Versions 11 to 22
Dell Precision T1650, i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16GB RAM, Windows 10 64-bit

TheresaAPD
Newcomer
I have determined that the file is just corrupt. We were changing the orientation angle of some plans saved in the view map and when we saved one plan with a 90 degree orientation, all the views would then open with the 90 degree orientation. If we saved one view with a 0 degree orientation, all the views would then open with the 0 degree orientation. The odd thing is that the angle of the plans wouldn't change on the layouts (except for the view that was actually updated) so ArchiCAD definitely knew what orientation each view was saved with even though it wouldn't open with the correct orientation.

I fear the file is beyond repair so we are copying and pasting the corrupt file into a clean template file one story at a time. So far it seems to be working. Next we will copy all of our elevation/section notes into the new file. And then we will recreate the layouts.

If anyone has any experience successfully repairing a corrupt file, please share. I never want to rebuild a file again.
Versions 11 to 22
Dell Precision T1650, i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16GB RAM, Windows 10 64-bit

Daniel Kovacs
Graphisoft
Graphisoft
Hi,
If the file is indeed corrupt, then it might be worth checking it out to verify. I have seen issues when the rotation of one view appeared on the placed drawing of other views, but not the other way around (the layout is fine and the views rotated).
If you can create a short video for me about the 2 issues (the jumping and the rotation on a specific layout), and send it to me with a PLA of your project (in a private message), I would be more than happy to take a look at it.

Regards,
Daniel Alexander Kovacs

Professional Services Consultant

GRAPHISOFT



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Anonymous
Not applicable
any more info on this subject? I have two projets with the same problem, both teamwork projets.
thank you

TheresaAPD
Newcomer
No - I sent my file to Graphisoft support and they were able to reproduce the problem in the file I sent but didn't ever come up with a solution. There was a 22 hotfix earlier this summer that fixed some of my problems. The drawing no longer jumps on the layout when I change the zoom and click "get current window's settings" in the view map. I still have problems with drawings jumping when I "relink" floor plans (for example relinking the first floor to the second floor in the layout book).
Versions 11 to 22
Dell Precision T1650, i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16GB RAM, Windows 10 64-bit

Anonymous
Not applicable
We have asked every user to quit the projet (erasing local files), and then open and repair option with a local file from the teamwork projet. After sharing the repaired local file to the bimserver it was ok.
In summary: apparently opening and repairing does the trick.

TheresaAPD
Newcomer
I found a copy of the corrupt file that I had saved and tried to use open and repair again. Unfortunately, that does not work for my file.

I know some coworkers have used open and repair successfully on other files (for various issues) so that is always a good thing to try.
Versions 11 to 22
Dell Precision T1650, i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16GB RAM, Windows 10 64-bit

Anonymous
Not applicable
Tough, because it's really annoying and time consuming. Please let us know if you find any other clues.

Thank you.

Anonymous
Not applicable
Unofrtunately, it doesn't work for me either. I have exactly the same problem as the original post, but I have the problem even after Open and Repair.

It's really annoying and extremely time consuming. Especially on larger projects where there is a need to re-link a whole set of Layouts to new Project Views.

I'm quite sure that it is the file that is buggy in our case. It is a Archicad 20 file migrated to 22 and we've had some other minor issues with it before, but this is a big one.

Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft
Graphisoft
Hi,

Thank you for sharing the issue, and I am very sorry about the experience!

We've seen a couple of cases with similar symptoms, however, it is almost always a problem that it is hard to catch what exactly triggers the jump, since the layout update doesn't have to follow the trigger immediately.

The issue and how it behaves are different from case to case. For example, in one case, if we change zoom in a rotated view and update it with the option "get current window's settings", it changes its position on layout.
On another one, after the drawing is updated (and jump to a new position), it won't happen ever again.

Some of them have been found and fixed in an update, therefore, I would like to make sure that ARCHICAD is always updated. Other than that, I can only recommend raising this issue to the local partner, or share the file directly to me so that our Technical Support team can dive deeper into what is causing the issue.

Thank you for your understanding!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

LinLin
Participant

this is 2022, think it might be the view setting set to "zoomed area" instead of "current zoom".

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