Show Zones in Section or Elevation Archicad 25

[reidweber]

Hello, I am excited to see that you can now view zones in section and elevations in Archicad 25. This feature prompted me to download this version and transfer from 24.  But when I open a file, I cannot figure out how to display a zone in Section. Is there a toggle I'm missing to display that information?  In the graphisoft overview it went into a lot of detail about the new zone tag but the zones aren't visible in section to tag. 

 

Floor Plan showing Zones

Section not showing Zones

 

[James Murray · Accepted solution]

New checkbox under Project Preferences > Legacy. On by default to preserve status quo.

[James Murray · Accepted solution]

New checkbox under Project Preferences > Legacy. On by default to preserve status quo.

[tomwuertz]

I don't have a checkbox under Project Preferences>Legacy to uncheck.  I'm using Archicad 25 3002 USA FULL

[James Murray]

The zone changes are feature of the 4013 update.

[jffgrffn · Accepted solution]

Options > Project Preferences > Legacy > uncheck "Hide Zones and their associated Labels on Section-type views".

[David Shorter]

Great pity that the Zone stamp doesn't link directly to a Surface. It means we have to manually link the colour on the floorplan to the surface in section, elevation and 3D

 

[reidweber]

That did it. Thanks!

[Lingwisyer]

Zones can show in Section now? Awww... too bad we won't be moving off 22/23 for a while to come...

[Barry Kelly]

They sure do.

But there is one little problem that I can see.

In section (as in plan) you will see the zone colours.

This of course can be turned off with a Graphic Override.

That works fine in plan but in section, the colour goes but the zone is not transparent.

You have to make the surface a 100% transparent colour (or use a transparent surface like air space).

But still the zone is not transparent.

You also have to turn on the 'Transparency' setting in the section settings.

Then you get what you want (I left the model contours on here, just so you can see the zone is still there.

What is the problem you ask?

What happens if I don't want my windows, shower screens and other glass panels to be transparent?

It is not really a problem unless there is something behind the glass you do not want to see.

But so far, I see no way to keep my glass opaque and the zone transparent.

Barry.

[David Shorter]

Actually there is. All you need is a GO which changes "Glass" to a non transparent material/surface, like this

 

[Eduardo Rolon]

Standard drawing convention for the last 100 years  is that "transparent materials" are solid in elevation and section so Zones Color needs to be turned off as an MVO not by changing materials etc.

[James Murray]

I'm going to wireframe the zones layer in working section layer combos, hide zones in section output combos, and create a dedicated combo for viewing zones in section in order to layer them. 

I’m sure this is out of scope and maybe even impossible, plus the die is cast, but: It would great for the zones to be invisible in section but still selectable/labelable via tabbing though the element stack with the magnet cursor.

[reidweber]

This seems like a reasonable process. Keeping your zone Label on a separate layer and hiding the layer of the zone in section if you don't want to deal with the graphic override and transparency issues.   A "make zone category color transparent" option would be nice. 

[snow]

YES!

I couldn't almost believe it. With this new feature, I've always to deal with layer visibility... much more than before when navigating to different project views.

(Mostly transparency in section and elevation is turned off... mostly I don't want to see zone volumes... except to revise, check, edit them...

... and for this the option is great.

But to turn it off causes more effort than everything else with this...🤔

So I consider it as an urgent request:

Please add a button to switch it off (and on) easily.

[James Murray]

"viewing zones in section in order to LABEL them." It would be great if the edit button worked.

[Electric Flute]

So zones in sections/elevations are solid blocks. If I want to see my project I must make a Graphic Override Combination to make them transparent. But I don't always want glass to be transparent.

Half baked solution.

[Barry Kelly]

I think the best solution if you want to keep the glass in windows as solid (not transparent) is to wire frame the zone layer in the elevations as @James Murray suggested and use a Graphic Override to hide the contours.

Or hide the zone layer completely as @reidweber suggested - just be sure to turn off the option in the label to hide with associated elements.

Just when you need to add labels, be sure to change to a layer combination that shows the zones as solid.

Barry.

[Electric Flute]

Thanks Barry, these workarounds do works. But they mess with our layers standards.
I think we have to stand loud that those workaround are not the best practices. Perhaps Graphisoft listen us.

[David Shorter]

See my please below

[David Shorter]

If you create Surfaces to match the Zone Stamp colour and match these surfaces to each Zone stamp then everything works because these Surface can have transparency without a GO.