Lisbon Municipality: DWF support in ArchiCAD
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‎2010-02-18 01:20 PM
As they claim, the introduction of DWF and the consequent simplification of procedures is considered a success and is now being introduced in several other municipalities in Portugal and showcased in other countries.
We know that several costumers and consultants have provided feedback through, Archicad's reseller in Portugal, without results (specially in the Mac platform). We think that Graphisoft should provide a definitive solution to the problem in order to protect their customers. Meanwhile, if that's not possible, Graphisoft should negotiate an exception or transition period.
we've been told that there is a ongoing process against Lisbon's Municipality in the European Court of Justice, so far with no results. That's one of the possible solutions, other solution would be suggesting other similar non-proprietary file formats (DWG, PDF or IFC, like in Denmark), but I believe that the best solution should pass by the upgrading of Archicad to correctly export DWF, because it seems to me that Lisbon is not turning back on this decision.
The following are the problems we are facing when trying to meet the required standards:
- when publishing a layout the resulting DWF will be out of the paper;
- inability to export all layouts as a single DWF;
- layer visibility;
- we are requested to put doors and windows in separate layers. They also request that the zone name and the zone area are in separate layers but I think this one would be extremely hard to accomplish since in Archicad they are the same object;
- 1 unit should equal 1 meter;
- the most difficult part to accomplish is that they demand that the paper space is in the model space scale (one should be able to take the correct measurements in the layout, not the scaled ones - for example in 1/100 scale 1 cm would result in 1 meter not 1 cm).
So far the only way we found to do this is:
- export layouts in DWG using an appropriate translator,
- open the DWG and rescale it to the correct scale,
- finally use Autodesk's software in a PC and convert it to DWF.
Please understand that:
- We don't own a PC, I'm not sure I want one;
- We use Archicad and we don't know how to work with Autocad, weI don't want to learn it, and we're not definitely planning to buy their software.
We figure that the best solution is to upgrade Archicad with a translator, such as the one for DWG and DXF, where one could adjust the output of this file format to meet all of this requirements.
We hope that our contribution is appreciated.

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‎2010-02-19 09:07 PM
Keep up the fight.
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‎2010-02-19 09:19 PM
Also i checked again and it seems that (at least according to Wikipedia!) DWF is an open format:
"DWF is an open file format. Autodesk publishes the DWF specification and makes available C++ libraries for any developer who wants to build applications around the DWF format, with the DWF Toolkit. Furthermore, DWF is based on other industry standards such as ZLIB, XML, and common image formats."
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TERNULLOMELO ARCHITECTS
Estaleiro Naval Rocha do Conde de Óbidos 1399-036 Lisboa Portugal
T 00 351 21 391 59 98
F 00 351 21 391 59 97
TERNULLOMELO ARCHITECTS
Estaleiro Naval Rocha do Conde de Óbidos 1399-036 Lisboa Portugal
T 00 351 21 391 59 98
F 00 351 21 391 59 97
www.ternullomelo.com
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‎2010-02-19 11:16 PM
I'm aware of ifcXML... but they still want the drawings... maybe one day we'll give them the model.
TERNULLOMELO ARCHITECTS
Estaleiro Naval Rocha do Conde de Óbidos 1399-036 Lisboa Portugal
T 00 351 21 391 59 98
F 00 351 21 391 59 97
www.ternullomelo.com
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‎2010-02-19 11:24 PM
The situation in Portugal makes this even more urgent. The problem is that there isn't really any good alternative out there as far as I can see. I don't see municipalities taking BIM models for design review any time soon and there is no other 2D open format that supports world dimensions.
I don't know how difficult this would be for GS to implement, but it clearly is very important.

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‎2010-02-20 01:33 AM


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‎2010-02-22 02:12 PM
I just have some idea of how software development works and I know that from wishing for a feature to its implementation can take time - a lot more than a couple of weeks or months.
So I offered solutions for the meantime.
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‎2010-03-04 07:06 AM
So as Matthew said .. i think this is a good thing. It is totally reasonable for government bodies to request data in a consistent format and at least they have settled on an open standard unlike the Revit format some states in the US are thinking about mandating for 'BIM' data.
It is up to Graphisoft to fully implement DWF if they want to be competitive - they are the only roadblock to their users on this subject.
I also note this DWF mandate is not just Lisbon but the whole of Portugal since 2008? ArchiCAD seems to be doing well in Portugal, so you would think Graphisoft would really be doing something about DWF. Another one of those 'what the hell are they thinking' moments ...
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‎2010-03-16 03:25 PM
ternullomelo wrote:Probably harder than installing Windows on Boot Camp and running that free AD software.
I don´t get it... is it so hard to do this?

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‎2010-03-17 03:06 AM