Wall end, visible lines in elevation

[rakurs]

I have wall ends that are visible in elevations, in spite of the fact that they are not visible in floor plans, or in 3D. What am I doing wrong, what else should I check?

Elevation:

3D Window:

Line is definitely not there, not even glitching like when you have overlapping but not intersecting (different Layer number) elements!

Floor plan:

Lines between the same material are invisible!

Composite wall:

Wall end configuration:

If I toggle the selected setting - Extend skin 1 on inside face - my problem shifts to the other elevation. The line stays but it's visible on the side, no longer on the end elevation. What else is there that could be the problem?

Thank you very much!

Operating system used: Windows W10Pro 22H2

[Laszlo Nagy]

If you look at the Floor Plan, and look at the light green highlight color carefully, you will see that the leftmost skin of the Wall geometry extends to the plane of the elevation and the Wall End stops before this skin, while the Wall End covers the rightmost skin on the other side of the Wall.

I think this is due to the Wall End type you chose.  Can you try using the "Wrapped End" Wall End type instead and see if it achieves what you want? It seems like the Wall End type can turn back at both ends, and so it should not generate that unwanted line in the Elevation.

[rakurs]

Yeah, doesn't work.

Selected wall end:

Front façade is okay but the side façade now shows the lines.

Unselected wall end:

(I am working on the model and changing the wall thicknesses of elements, so the model currently has some other unrelated errors that it didn't have before, so ignore the horizontal line that shouldn't be there above the wall end. It's a work in progress; the wall end error persists.)

[Laszlo Nagy]

Then try to model the Wall End using a Column with a Complex Profile. Hopefully that will not result in unwanted lines in Elevation.

[rakurs]

To use a column to create a wall end while a wall end tool exists for such a simple situation, that is a terribly unfortunate workaround. I will postpone that decision until it's necessary to deliver drawings.

It seems that composites, in version 28, still create so many unwanted things that in reality they should never be used to create complete walls. It seems that you should create an outer composite, the core (load bearing concrete or brick, for example) and the inner composite. HOWEVER, that opens another can of worms because doors and windows and their reveals will misbehave and more workarounds will be needed.

This is the weakest material and yet it cuts through the strongest.

No way to address it with junction order. (Sorry for going off topic, but it's still somewhat related because of all the issues with resolving intersections and joints of composite walls.)

😞

[Lingwisyer]

The main issue with using the Wall End Tool is that it creates the finish wrapping within the wall length rather than wrapping it beyond... This creates issues with corners and structural lengths... Would be able to resolve so many composite corner issues if it matched your wall reference line setting.

Ling.

[Lingwisyer]

Unsure what wall end you are using there to have it not go edge to edge... The image below is what the Wrap End option should be doing.

[rakurs]

I was wrong before in the sense that Wrap End produces lines because I failed to notice I had to set the material in the Wrap End settings. HOWEVER, I have one wall where I definitely need the Returned End because I need the thermal insulation skin to also turn, together with plaster skin. Wrap End cannot show two skins (materials) at its end. And for some reason the Returned End type creates a line between the same materials even if the "Line between identical fills" toggle isn't turned on.

In the project I'm working on I decided to go with Wrapped End on all basic wall end situations, and the one where I have to turn both the thermal insulation and the plaster I resorted to this flawed wall end and I cannot get rid of that line. I think the tool (Returned End) is bugged. I will try it in some other file and see if it produces proper result, but if not, I will contact my local support so hopefully they elevate the problem to the developers.

Even though the floor plan looks (somewhat) correct, it produces the line in elevations at the point A. Also, there should be an option for each individual skin to show the line (in the floor plan) or not, because I sure could use the line at position B, but not in position A. Either both or none, for floor plan, are the options.

Now, I changed the options to only extend one skin on the other side, and it presents the floor plan like this:

As you can see, this is also a correct solution. However, it is beyond me why the elevations and sections show a line on A but not on B, in both situations. 3D also looks clean whether I extend one or two skins. So, it is only in section / elevation that this problem exists.

[rakurs]

In 3D, if I turn off physically based rendering, it shows its ugly face again.

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[rakurs]

As you can see with the wall end selected, it is clearly the wall end itself creating the line:

On the opposite side, there is no line present (darker shade is because the element is selected.)

And when I select the wall:

It shows that the wall is not creating any lines in wrong places. So the culprit is definitely the Returned End.