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About Archicad's design tools, element connections, modeling concepts, etc.

What sets ArchiCad9 apart from the rest?

Anonymous
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In your own mind, why did you choose ArchiCad?

Or if you switched, why?
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Anonymous
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woodster wrote:
BDC wrote:
Try explaining to the client why no other building professional uses this program and there's no real collaboration thru DWG?
As a reseller I was REALLY going to stay out of this one but... surely you jest?

woodster
Your a Distributor? and you dont know of the issues with translating file formats?,No offence,How about the real costs in using both programs concurrently?Auto desk frustrates the hell out of everyone.They'll divide and conquer thru DWG formats.Go Figure?
Anonymous
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Maybe I don't understand the difficulty ??? but I have been co-existing with ACAD consultants for as long as I have used the program. Although in the past there were many difficulties with the various translators, the recent changes have resulted in a rather seamless condition that seems to me to be very simple and direct.

IMO not "everyone" is on Autodesk products and the better Archicad becomes, the easier the existence. In the future the conditions are going to favor and maybe even require BIM and the resultant better coordination in both the documents as well as the built products. That day will be the culmination of all the work done to date - and the differences in software will have to be less of an operational challenge in order to satisfy the gov't agencies we all have to deal with.

My 2 cents

Lew Bishop
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AC 9US
Rakela Raul
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i came ready to comment on my experience cuz this is a good subject.
but now i will uncheck the 'notify me when a reply is posted'..off
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Karl Ottenstein
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Don't digress by responding to anything BDC posts, guys. Seems you aren't familiar with this guy ... he bates conflict in every topic he has posted to since he joined ac-talk.

To BDC: in all threads you have participated in, you post ridiculous comments and then when pressed for clarification, either do not respond, or post more phrases that seem conjured by some drug-induced state. Please try to be productive, or at least clear. If you can be neither, your presence really isn't welcomed here by many of us.

Karl
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Anonymous
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Hey Rakela
You can choose to ignore the issues that affect Builders everyweek.But we have to build your projects?Seriously we cant afford all the software that you use, We're tired of all the issues with training,costs,upgrading, bugfixes, translations, etc,etc,etc,Obviously you seem to be immune to these issues, and happy to use/recommend 4 different software??.What are you a beta tester? or are they academic versions .Do you think clients worry about which software you use? Im happy to take this off line.You might learn something.
Cheers
Vitruvius
Booster
BDC,

I've build projects of up to $250 million throughout Asia for North American, Australian & Asian clients.

I've never met a client/contractor who cares what software I use. They care about the design and the documentation - not the production platform their architect is using.
Cameron Hestler, Architect
Archicad 27 / Mac Studio M1 Max - 32 GB / LG24" Monitors / 14.5 Sonoma
Anonymous
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Vitruvius wrote:
BDC,

I've build projects of up to $250 million throughout Asia for North American, Australian & Asian clients.

I've never met a client/contractor who cares what software I use. They care about the design and the documentation - not the production platform their architect is using.
I see clients all to often,After they have had there expectations shattered and reality kicks in ,and if the designer is still around?The first thing the client asks is for HELP.We wont help if your not on the same Overall Production Platform,you guys arent exclusive,-get the gist?
to GS- I call it the way I see it without fear or favour,unlike others on this board. Up till now this is one of GS failings,you need to listern to others.Hey carl,No offence, Id give you a job on site with real tools not SQL ?,But I would never let you near a client -go figure. Seriously this board,has better entertainment value and is much more informative than the others.
Good Luck
Vitruvius
Booster
Odd that those clients of "shattered expectations and grim reality" keep coming back for more?

Maybe that's your view from the cheap seats, but in the real world, big projects get built by professionals - not by flakes who disappear after handing over a set of drawings.

And real critiques require some sophistication of thought and logical framework - stream of consciousness ranting doesn't really cut it as debating or critical thinking skill.

Get the gist?
Cameron Hestler, Architect
Archicad 27 / Mac Studio M1 Max - 32 GB / LG24" Monitors / 14.5 Sonoma
Anonymous
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Vitruvius wrote:
Odd that those clients of "shattered expectations and grim reality" keep coming back for more

Maybe that's your view from the cheap seats, but in the real world, big projects get built by professionals - not by flakes who disappear after handing over a set of drawings.

I agree,Lack of professionalism from some in project Building is creeping in on both sides of the equation.Honestly,Its a shame though,The client pays good money for the design ,they should really get what they want and paid for.Hmm,Maybe thats why they do a runner?(Thats another issue)

And real critiques require some sophistication of thought and logical framework - stream of consciousness ranting doesn't really cut it as debating or critical thinking skill.

Generally,I agree with this too.I cant help Designers/Architects with there problems in Project Building.All I do is choose to highlite the other side.
You mightn't like what i say, Dont take it personally.
Cheers
Get the gist?
Anonymous
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We have switched because the program we were using, Ashlar Vellum/Graphite, has stopped supporting the Mac platform. There is no way I would ever give up my Mac!! Even when we were using it, it never crossed with AutoCad seamlessly. Our drawings always looked terrible and were un-useable to an AutoCad user because Graphite handles text in a completely different way than AutoCad and didn't export it correctly. The pens also did not match, as line colors did not tie into line weight. It was great to print drawings, they looked fantastic until someone asked me to email them a dwg. Then it took me a day to import it into ArchiCad and make the text look somewhat presentable, but still the line weights never were right. For awhile, quite awhile, this was all we used ArchiCad for. Then it got to be such a hassle because EVERYONE wanted dwg files emailed to them. So, I finally bit the bullet and flogged my way onto ArchiCad and have not looked back since. Once I got back up to speed, I can produce just as fast as before. The nice thing is that with Plotmaker I can publish and entire layout book to dwg files in about 1 minute. Before, with Graphite, it took all day. It took me a little while to retrain myself how I approach a project from the beginning, and how to make ArchiCad work for me instead of against me, I am getting much more comfortable with it each week that goes by and I learn a new "trick" to help me along.

Being a fairly new user, I took a little while to get my drawings to cross with AutoCad users. My main issue is most architects I deal with are using Architectual Desktop, or some other derivitive of AutoCad, which uses "blocks" or modules for different rooms and such that do not import into ArchiCad, or even Auto Cad. I have to have them bind their xrefs and explode everything into basic elements and then ArchiCad will import them jsut fine.

I have them send me their pen set. This I open on my Windows laptop in AutoCadLT, which I keep a copy of to check what my drawings look like, or to find out why a dwg will not open in ArchiCad. I go through the penset and build one to match in drawing attributes and then save that set of attributes in that particular project file. That way my pen colors and weights are an exact match to the architect's set. This was really my only area where things didn't look right. This takes me all of 10 minutes at the start of each project.

I had trouble learning some things in Plotmaker, because the documentation and User Guide is not real strong in the Plotmaker section, but that is where this forum comes in so handy. If I have an issue, I post my question here and usually get a response in an hour or so, several by the next morning. Everyone here is very helpful in answering my "stupid questions", even when I ask the same one again a few weeks later because I forgot I already asked it.

AutoCad is so un-user friendly. ArchiCad is much more intuitive, once you take the time to learn it. INVEST IN SOME TRAINING!! Once we did that, Tom Simmons came to the Pacific Northwest and spent a day with us and that leap-frogged me so far ahead, it was worth every penny. We need to do it again soon, now that we have the basics down to learn more "tricks and tips" to streamline things even more. Try to find a good forum for AutoCad help - there isn't one. This is the best forum out there for any CAD software bar none. Very knowlegable users, willing to help the newest beginner. Talk to the Woodster about ArchiCamp

Plus, when I need to a nice 3d walkaround really impresses a client, although I don't do it too often. It is fun, though and I need to really get into the rendering side of it much further. This is a complex application. I can't stress enough to get some training. There are many resources through resellers, and users on this board like ArchiLink that can provide excellent training. It will sound expensive at first, but after you do it you will think it was worth every penny and then some.