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3djunior wrote:If you consider the Curtain object as modeling, that is new.
Hi i just have saw the videos about new archicad 12 version , but i would like to know if there is something new improvements about modeling tools and rendering capabilities , along the new features included ,or the rendering and modeling tools capabilites remains the same ,? plk
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I have not seen differences with rendering (in fact, the old bugs from LightWorks that I mentioned are still there).
yes the curtain wall is a new interesting feature on modeling , i think archicad has moved more from design capabilities to institutional standards , as an architect designer , i think archicad need more options on the design free form shapes , more now , because the only one way to do this , MAXONFORM , has been discontinued 
3djunior wrote:It is suggested to use Cinema4D instead of MaxonForm. The plugins seem to be further developed (geometry from Cinema4D into ArchiCAD as GDL object and geometry from ArchiCAD into Cinema4D for visualization), but the cut down MaxonForm was a one-time only applications, so it seems.
yes the curtain wall is a new interesting feature on modeling , i think archicad has moved more from design capabilities to institutional standards , as an architect designer , i think archicad need more options on the design free form shapes , more now , because the only one way to do this , MAXONFORM , has been discontinued
stefan wrote:3djunior wrote:It is suggested to use Cinema4D instead of MaxonForm. The plugins seem to be further developed (geometry from Cinema4D into ArchiCAD as GDL object and geometry from ArchiCAD into Cinema4D for visualization), but the cut down MaxonForm was a one-time only applications, so it seems.
yes the curtain wall is a new interesting feature on modeling , i think archicad has moved more from design capabilities to institutional standards , as an architect designer , i think archicad need more options on the design free form shapes , more now , because the only one way to do this , MAXONFORM , has been discontinued
......not that I'm blaming you or any of the other betatesters for this, but for Graphisoft's part that's just plain ridiculous.
It was not more than 2 or 3 years ago (shortly after Maxonform was released and people were wondering if this was to be GS's strategy for dealing with the development of modeling tools) that one of their own developers on this very forum stated that, Maxonform, or rather the presence of Maxonform was not to be taken as a sign that they were not interested in developing or improving ArchiCAD's core modeling tools, and in fact his words were something to the effect that Maxonform is not a part of Graphisoft's long-term plans and strategies for the modeling tools development.
I wish I could find that exact post - one of the few times they used to ever bother to responding to user posts questions and inquiries; I'll try to see if I can find it, but I distinctly remember it, as being an indicator that it was not necessary to invest in purchasing or learning Maxonform over the long term, if one didn't need to since GS seemed inclined to bring the level and power of AC's modeling tool-set to the level, or rather, close to the level of Maxonform in terms of versatility and robustness. In fact this perception, for lack of further clarification from GS themselves subsequently seemed to be supported by their ceasing support for further Maxonform development last year ( a plugin, which I must say, neither they nor Maxon seemed interested in developing even as it remained deeply rooted in C4D's antiquated v9.1 engine even as C4D got upgraded to v9.5 and v10 and v10.5 last year) as most people anticipated, or rather hoped for considerable if not vast improvements in AC's modeling tools in v12 and possibly 13, following Version 11's poor improvements in this area.
And yet here we are after the announcement of v12 and the company line is a suggestion to use Cinema4D instead of Maxonform? Again I say, ridiculous!
I for one don't like C4D's interface, it's GUI or it's work-flow. It's a program that was developed for product developers, character modelers and animators and consequently the logic by which you perform different functions in it in the sense of modeling greatly differs from that of conventional CAD and architectural design/modeling tools. Even compared to most of ArchiCAD's other third-party plugins that try to integrate the logic or a sense of the logic of AC's interface and workflow, it's just like working in a different world. And Let's not even forget that the bridge itself was/is so problematic that geometry that could be easily handled in Maxonform/C4D, when transferred back to ArchiCAD, couldn't be easily documented (which was part of the whole point) if you were lucky, or more likely it easily cause it to crash due to the polycount, despite optimization in C4D.
And I don't even consider the Curtain wall tool to be an improvement of the modeling tool-set since only a limited number of people stand to benefit from it given it's apparent limitations and GS's usual half-step implementation ala the Complex profiler from AC10. How would it be of benefit to residential designers, for example? Don't even get me started on the fact that rendering capabilities in AC (which are grounded in a poorly, crippled and half-heartedly implemented Lightworks engine from 3 versions ago, are also now loped off to C4D as well (or Artlantis if you prefer that route).
I'll actually wait until they release the program, but from everything I've seen thus far, ArchiCAD 12 is, or rather is going to be a disappointment in many areas. I mean, if I understand it well, the stair tool is still a migraine to work with, especially if you're designing a custom stair and might want custom handrails, balustrades or panes, only with v12 you now have more accurate ways to document your frustrations with expanded 2D symbols
. But that's okay, I guess- after all, there's always C4D for anything beyond the realm of the 8 or 9 template stairs that they have in the stair tool. Right.The speed improvements and multi-core optimizations are great, particularly if they enable the developers to now concentrate, on addressing all these issues and deficiencies from so many versions back. But frankly speaking, I think there's little benefit to upgrading to this version, especially if one is not going to be designing straight faced, vertical storefronts and building's with curtain-wall facades that don't diverge on the Z-axis, and if also if one might need some robust modeling beyond the capabilities of the Complex Profiler and SEO to handle with ease, at anytime during the next year. I'll just wait to see what version 13 offers next year before assessing what direction this program seems to be headed in for the future.
It's a pity because I really like using this program - but the time is fast approaching when the technical realities of my professional requirements and needs will vastly surpass my sentimentalism.
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