Matthew wrote:Exactly. Then the PC guys can even keep getting their worms and viruses as they are accustomed to. It must be said, if you have not booted windows on a mac and used it as if it were a PC (which it then is, in fact) - you really can't compare. You need to try this out. I can ask Apple to lend you a few workstations if BAR would be interested in checking this out on the floor...
With Boot Camp installed a MacPro is just a really good PC in a cool box (and cheaper than the equivalent Dell).
andyro wrote:oooh.....this would be a great solution. I have tried every angle, this could be compelling. If you really think Apple would do this, we need to chat (or skype?)
You need to try this out. I can ask Apple to lend you a few workstations if BAR would be interested in checking this out on the floor...
Mark wrote:Why such a small Hard Drive?
Well.... if you end up going with a pc, this is what i am about to order, having 6 already very similar systems (the old Core 2s). I did a fair bit of research and found this to be the best "sweet spot" with cost v price. Of course everyone has a different opinion, particularly on the video card (being a workstation card) and amount of ram. But this video card kicks ar..se in 3d, and i can have several processor/ram demanding programs open with the dual core and 4gb of ram working without any slow down. Ram is also very good for rendering in programs outside of ArchiCAD. Note ArchiCAD can only use 2gb (currently) so don't bother going over this unless you plan to have other things open, which i think is almost always the case.
PS, with this spec i never hear a complaint from any of the operators, except when the server slows down (my next port of call).
Case : mAtx mini tower with 400w power supply (Macron 385 Black)
Fdd : Nil
Hdd : 80g SATAII, 8m cache, 7200rpm (Seagate)
Cpu : Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4Ghz, 2m l2 on-die cache, 1066 Mhz fsb,
socket 775, EM64T & XD (Intel)
Motherboard : Intel DG965 chipset, 1s / 1p / 6usb2 port with 4 x SATA, udma & fdd controller on board (SSCK Intel)
Memory : 4 x 1024m ddr2-533 PC-4200 (Kingston)
Video card : 256m PCIe 16X graphic accelerator (nVidia Quadtro FX1500 Leadtek)
Monitor: Dual 17" Monitor. That widescreen 24" (and up) is still a little to pricey, hopefully the price will drop a little more...
laszlonagy wrote:I guess it depends if you are keeping data files on your local drives or not. We do not. The only information kept on the locals are programs so their is no need for lots of space, better to redirect the money elsewhere.
Why such a small Hard Drive?...
I would understand it in case of a notebook, but with a desktop, 300-500 GB would be much more appropriate.
andyro wrote:Excuse me, Andy, but did we not have the opposite conversation when YOU were on the lone PC at JWA? Quality of design has nothing to do with the hardware and everything to do with the software and the designer. (And no Hyundais here.)
You have forgotten to consider the design part of the equation.
Excuse me, Andy, but did we not have the opposite conversation when YOU were on the lone PC at JWA?
sirduncan wrote:We bought 4 Dells (the remaining 56 may include some macs) to test them on my project. 4gb ram is adequate for probably most projects, but I'm already feeling the need for more for my current project. We are monitoring performance, especially the video card, which at $1,500 is a pricey, but very important component. Check Graphisoft's list of tested video cards. Our IT Manager researched all components and put together the final setup. Lots of minor issues entered into the decision such as no Apple support if running XP, etc. Both Apple and Dell offered trial boxes; talk to your reps.
So - what was the final decision then? As described below? I'm thinking $5,200 may be on the high side, but there are only 2 of us that need them. My managers seem to be open to suggestions and trials runs so if I could even get one in here just for me to try ....
And are you happy with it?