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Archicad Future, 27 Poll

bouhmidage
Advisor

Archicad 26 was released yesterday, personnally i'm disappointed of how Archicad is slowly developped in the last 4 years, the pandemic has it' effects on business for sure, but we expected more since earlier versions used to bring nice and cool features, 

 

I created this tread for users who have ideas, suggestions, propositions for the next release, we may express our thoughts, and give guidelines for development team, Graphisoft is listening, i'm sure, 

 

For me, the most important thing to in an urgent way is to stop this multilingual installers strategy, 

Archicad 26 is released, all the world can download it with a multilangual installer,  : 

1 - download and install in a preferred langue, 

2 - open Archicad using your template, or download a template from the website, almost of us migrate tempaltes from older versions, resellers template  are useful for new users, 

3 - libraries also can be dowloaded from website, this will help in 2 things : lignter installers, and libraries are accessible for everyone especially when user works for foreign companies, .

 

this way, development and bug fixes will be focused on 1 installer, not 10, 

 

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Archicad strategy is to implement several disciplines, let's admit this, 

For users , Architects, engeneers, drafters, commands and disciplines should be seperated and organized in different way, so we don't feel abused with unecessary command, 

yes Archicad offer possibility to organise commands in the work environnment, but the saved commands layout will be a mess when upgrading to newt version wich contain new commands, 

why not,  from a buttons menu you can activate ad desactivate disciplines commands.

 

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You said in the webinar, Focus on design, Archicad tools are really good and that's why we stick to Archicad , BUT aren't fully baked, workarounds and illogic solutions are always there to disturb the workflow, think about new users, workarounds make them feel uncomftable, saying, " this simple situation needs a workaround, whatabout complex ones ?? " 

 

each tool have major / minor things to update, tweak , to get a good design toolbox for daily work, 

to attract users, Archicad should easily be able to help designing a residentiel or midscale projects without workarounds, this kind of project is where users start exploring the software, if it fails, users will start searching around for alternatives, 

make the product a complete solution for architects, 

 

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i think , Archicad 27 should be the " NO workarounds version "   ,make architects life easier, to focus on design , then you can go ahead for structural and MEP workflows, 

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Very well put. The only thing I really want to see on top of all that is allowing GDL to be able to push and pull info to properties and classification 

bouhmidage
Advisor

i forgot to menstion one thing : 

Creating objects with Library part maker is not a Luxe for users, it's a fondamental tool for users and especially students, 

please think about the whole process of object creation , you have 

1 - GDL

2 - PARAM-O

3 - Mibrary part maker

4 - Rhino + Grasshopper connection

5 - modelling and saving as object

 

1+2+3+4 must be merged in 1 central object creation area,  mix the power of gdl to other tools in a smart way, 

keep the software clear, strait forward, no confusions, 

 

a simple objects creation workflow is equal to MROE manufacturer products that support Archicad, 

 

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I disagree with this. GDL is what it is for advanced users.

It's complicated, but gives you absolute control.

Rhino and grasshopper is basically a link to external applications - again niche stuff, horses for courses.

 

Param-o and Library Part Maker makes a lot more sense.

 

Here's a radical idea though - what about a web-based tool for creating parametric objects that can be exported to different BIM applications?

 

You in effect define the properties and rules, and the interface deals with creating code/script for GDL objects, Revit families, Rhino assemblies, SketchUp objects, Vectorworks symbols and IFC components. You could maybe select for shared parameters for the different applications, or dedicated fully-featured components. The parametric behaviour could even be configured via the web interface to download components at the right size if true interactive parametric behaviour is not an option. If you want to change the properties, go back to the portal to redefine the object. 

 

Yes it's complex as hell, but would arguably be the holy grail for BIM interoperability in terms of add-in content.


@Jim Allen wrote:

Here's a radical idea though - what about a web-based tool for creating parametric objects that can be exported to different BIM applications?

I think BIMObject has this solution. They create the object once and then generate the objects in many different formats, including Archicad, Revit, SketchUp, AutoCAD, Rhino, etc.:

https://business.bimobject.com/en-us/plans-pricing/

A few year ago there was information about it and AFAIK, it was accessible for users, but currently I do not see anything about it on their website. You ma contact them if you want to inquire about it but as I said, I don't know it is still available or became internal-use-only.

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I saw their BIMScript with Lena project - it was based on Rhino though, not a web-based application, which means content creators have to learn a non-BIM application to create BIM content. 

That would be the case also for say a web-based application, but it would be a very small toolset by comparison with something like Rhino.

 

They also had a very simplistic web application, which I tried out, but it wasn't actually any good for building anything much more complex than assemblies of textured rectilinear objects.

 

My point was that it would be something that Graphisoft could implement as a kind of web-based combination of Param-O and LPM, with the added ability to build parametric BIM objects that could be exported for use in other applications.

 

It was an approach that is radically different to anything GS are currently doing. 

 

At the moment there seems (to me at least) to be a kind of 'silo thinking' within the development team. It's almost like there is an agenda that is not really properly customer-focussed (otherwise we wouldn't have these long-standing issues that have been identified) but we can't really see what it is.

 

I guess it would be easy enough to say that it's basically about improving long term profitability, but alienating your core market by ignoring them for years doesn't fit with that either.

 

 

We can see that there is a drive to get traction for Archicad in the engineering disciplines, but that will only work if you keep your main customers happy first, and Archicad 26 has definitely not done that!

 

The MEP and structural toolsets seem to be being promoted to the main customer base (architects) who really couldn't care less about toolsets for other disciplines. In fact I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that we really don't want them at all if it means that the architectural development suffers as a consequence.

 

By all means develop for other disciplines, but do it by employing separate teams to build the required feature sets.

 

Those of us who practise architecture know that things like climate modelling, energy modelling, embodied carbon and LCC calculation are going to be much more important, but even EcodesignerStar doesnt seem to be current any more. That really ought to be free. Alternatively, create integrated links with 3rd party applications like (say) Designbuilder.

 

What about better integration with tools like One-Click LCA? Concentrate on efficient data exchange and leave the standards, certification and compliance to others.

 

The LCC property set seems to be interesting, but it's based only on the German standard, which is no use unless that standard is recognised in your country.

 

What would be useful would be some way of assigning the additional properties to existing projects. Some kind of automated tool that allows materials in the model to be updated with new properties would be great.

 

But first of all - how about GS finally fix things like the mesh tool and display of SEOs on plan?

 

Mjules
Advisor

Based on the frustrations caused by the release of Archicad 26, if I were Graphisoft, I would complete this version 26, which marks its 40th anniversary. We can't celebrate a 40th anniversary that way.

 

To do that, I would add the EcoDesigner Star in the package for free for all subscribers before the end of the year. I would also add the missing elements of the structural features in version 26 including the steel ones presented during the previous events or webinars as well. The development of the software is very late and I don't know the root cause of this big delay.

 

As a result, such a strategy would allow Graphisoft to alleviate the pain caused by the release of Archicad 26 this month.

 

For Archicad 27, Graphisoft could release your featuring proposals including the development of the Morph tool. We have to be able to convert different part of the morph in our design or drawings into appropriate BIM elements since Archicad is a BIM software program. For example, if I used the morph tool to design the roof of my architectural project during the schematic design phase, I should be able to convert this morph part of the design into a real BIM roof in Archicad. This could help to use the morph tool to sketch during the schematic design phase and then develop it during the design process. 

Martin Luther Jules
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I answered this duplicate post HERE

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I also give an answer to your post at the same place @DGSketcher.

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@bouhmidage wrote:

Archicad 26 was released yesterday, personnally i'm disappointed of how Archicad is slowly developped in the last 4 years, ...

 

I created this tread for users who have ideas, suggestions, propositions for the next release, we may express our thoughts, and give guidelines for development team, Graphisoft is listening, i'm sure, 


Graphisoft may be listening & reading but honestly I think they have no interest in what we all endure each day through a lack of investment in basic usability. What we post on this forum about improvements is nothing more than mutual support as we tolerate the frustrations of AC. If anything was clear at yesterdays launch it was GS is selling itself to their backers as a pioneering technology company. The fact their current strategy is likely to leave them with a diminished user base sooner rather than later doesn't seem to bother them. They have lost that primary requirement to understand the needs of their customers. This is their forum yet how many "employees" actually step up to assist with technical problems? That should tell you something about the current GS strategy.

 

I would like to say something positive about where AC is heading, but unfortunately after 27 years with AC all I am seeing now is detached neglect. Can it be fixed? Yes, if GS wanted to do something about it, and there is plenty of low hanging fruit in the wish list to win back customers quickly. To achieve that GS need to acknowledge their current development strategy is flawed and start delivering us improvements that help our workflow, not IT jargon filled power point slides.

 

Will it happen? After yesterday I'm definitely not going to hold my breath for an official reply to this post.

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They rarely respond on this forum anymore either.

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Can it be fixed? Yes, if GS wanted to do something about it, and there is plenty of low hanging fruit in the wish list to win back customers quickly. To achieve that GS need to acknowledge their current development strategy is flawed and start delivering us improvements that help our workflow, not IT jargon filled power point slides.


This is what makes it so frustrating - there are so many simple concrete things to implement (or just fully develop) that would bring AC back on par with the competition and likely ahead as it deep down still is a superior application for architectural design. What I cant understand is if it is that GS don't actually see and understand all this rather easily realized potential or that they for some reason simply don't think that a truly solid, efficient and intuitive application for architectural design is a viable business strategy compared to trying to catch new customers using fancy marketing of pseudo-features.

As you say, i think that all the pieces are set for Archicad to be the undisputed and unaproachable architectural design package king. They could be the king NOW if they wanted. Many of the most requested features (which have been going on for years now) could be implemented because they already exist within the software in some way (of course, that is me talking without know anything about coding). 

But its not happening. Why?

 

(From here on, everything is speculation)

 

The thing is, it is clear GS have another vision now. It defintely is diverging from its inhouse completitor, which is Vectorworks. All the little features that are requested here are being implemented there.

 

Does Nemetschek trully has nothing to do with how Vectorworks and Graphisoft are run? I seriously doubt that.

 

Add Allplan to the equation, the software that Nemetschek DID develope, and then you have some insight unto what might be happening.

 

Why mantain 3 software that more or less do the same? Allplan has way more enginering functionality, specially civil enginering. In that way, it is actually the real revit competitor, not Archicad, however it seems it is quite the idiosincratic software and not as easily marketable.

 

So my take is this and this is what i feared since about 2 years ago: either Archicad or allplan are going to dissapear or maybe merged into one to truly compete in the all in one software market for big projects (that is revit) while Vectorworks will fill the niche Archicad currently fullfils, software for the small medium architectural office. 

 

Otherwise none of what has been ocurring in the last releases makes any sense.

 

 

Here's an idea about the Vectorworks' current roadmap: Public Roadmap | Vectorworks

Martin Luther Jules
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That's the sort of roadmap that makes sense to customers!

Not the GS version that was more like a shareholder update.

A slightly different option would be Arcicad for architects, All Plan for engineers, DDS for mep engineers, and all bound by ifc or open bim for data exchange. Anything must be better than this integrated mess we are juggling.

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Here comes the headache, when Graphisoft try to "reinvent the wheel", 

basically, IFC exchange method is based on geometries that have data filled in, send geometries, check it out, send back comments and so on,

adding the layer of " parametric output/input using IFC destroyed the hole thing, actually to make the whole process usefull, parametricity should be ignored, a correct geometry + data exchange without data loss whould be perfect, we don't need real time workflow between designers, this will add more and more areas for interoperability errors,

 

i was talking with my structural engeneer, and he shares the same tought regarding this workflow, USELESS, and add layers of errors and crossing working spaces.he is using revit, my IFC output from archiad was EXELLENT and enough for 80% of our projects , he said, 

 

  • Strong archiad for architects, 
  • Complete allplan for ingeneering including rebar, why not calculation, drawings etc
  • strong DDS cad for MEP.
  • Good IFC exchange between theese softwares and a Powerfull annotation and change tracker tool, that's enough

realtime collaboration exists only on showcase videos....

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Mr dgsketcher, now we are talking.  My bet, even if we are being punched in the face, is still on Archicad.

Mr boumidage. Exactly, those videos where everyone is "colaborating" with a smile in their faces 😅 ; Reality is slightly different to that.

@bouhmidage Actually, if you have checked IFC 4x2 TC1, you will find that there is a section for parametric geometries

A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

Thats because most of the people at Graphisoft who have a history with Archicad and knowledge of the product and the users needs seem to have either gone or moved out of the focus. This is very sad for Archicad and the users. The really sad thing is that new users (customers) won't know what's missing because they don't have the background. The Structural Analytical Parameters, the Attribute Manager, the non installation off the Goodies (has anyone tried that yet?) Then there is Plumbing, partly accessed through the (new) Equipment Tool and partly through the Object tool  and all the Plumbing 'bits' are separated in 2 areas of the library 'Plumbing Fixtures 26' in the Basic Library and 'Plumbing 26' in the MEP library.
Not sure why.
There appears to be a fragmentation of Archicad which is happening to both the program and the team and this is not good. Too many managers with little product or industry specific knowledge is the beginning of the end for a company which used to be an industry leader.

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