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Archicad Future, 27 Poll

bouhmidage
Advisor

Archicad 26 was released yesterday, personnally i'm disappointed of how Archicad is slowly developped in the last 4 years, the pandemic has it' effects on business for sure, but we expected more since earlier versions used to bring nice and cool features, 

 

I created this tread for users who have ideas, suggestions, propositions for the next release, we may express our thoughts, and give guidelines for development team, Graphisoft is listening, i'm sure, 

 

For me, the most important thing to in an urgent way is to stop this multilingual installers strategy, 

Archicad 26 is released, all the world can download it with a multilangual installer,  : 

1 - download and install in a preferred langue, 

2 - open Archicad using your template, or download a template from the website, almost of us migrate tempaltes from older versions, resellers template  are useful for new users, 

3 - libraries also can be dowloaded from website, this will help in 2 things : lignter installers, and libraries are accessible for everyone especially when user works for foreign companies, .

 

this way, development and bug fixes will be focused on 1 installer, not 10, 

 

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Archicad strategy is to implement several disciplines, let's admit this, 

For users , Architects, engeneers, drafters, commands and disciplines should be seperated and organized in different way, so we don't feel abused with unecessary command, 

yes Archicad offer possibility to organise commands in the work environnment, but the saved commands layout will be a mess when upgrading to newt version wich contain new commands, 

why not,  from a buttons menu you can activate ad desactivate disciplines commands.

 

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You said in the webinar, Focus on design, Archicad tools are really good and that's why we stick to Archicad , BUT aren't fully baked, workarounds and illogic solutions are always there to disturb the workflow, think about new users, workarounds make them feel uncomftable, saying, " this simple situation needs a workaround, whatabout complex ones ?? " 

 

each tool have major / minor things to update, tweak , to get a good design toolbox for daily work, 

to attract users, Archicad should easily be able to help designing a residentiel or midscale projects without workarounds, this kind of project is where users start exploring the software, if it fails, users will start searching around for alternatives, 

make the product a complete solution for architects, 

 

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i think , Archicad 27 should be the " NO workarounds version "   ,make architects life easier, to focus on design , then you can go ahead for structural and MEP workflows, 

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Rex Maximilian
Advisor

I'd be happy if they just include FBX export... if not, it may be time for a petition, or something more substantial of a response.

I miss the R&D leadership Graphisoft had pre-Nemetschek days (90s & early-00s).

Rex Maximilian, Honolulu, USA - www.rexmaximilian.com
ArchiCAD 25 (user since 3.4, 1991)
16" MacBook Pro; M1 Max (2021), 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 32-Core GPU
Creator of the Maximilian ArchiCAD Template System

dcerezo
Advocate

I posted this in another thread, but thought I'd throw it in here too for fun.

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This is my dream, to one day read this online or in my email:

 

"Attention Archicad Users! Don't miss our webinar next week where we will present our latest version of Archicad. We're calling it Archicad: You. This latest release is all about You, not us. We've spent the last year taking a break from trying to create a "game changing" feature or "revolutionary" new tool. No this year we rolled our sleeves up and got our house in order, for you...our clients. We fixed things like improving text tools. How about layer palette that stays open (or any palette for that matter)? Why not throw in multiple windows open at the same time so you can click on a door and see it in 3D, plan, and section? No problem. Can we get a shout out for the new Built in Keynoting tool!! Sorry to our dear friends at CadImage, but you folks have been carrying water for us for too long and frankly we're embarrassed about that one. Ooh, how about the ability to edit the right click context menu so you can have shortcuts to your favorite tools? Nice! Multi story stair via a simple checkbox? Sure why not. You want to change a door or window property via the Schedule window? Heck yeah! Change away baby! Even better, how cool would it be to drag and drop the doors and windows in the schedule, AND they auto renumber too!? Piece of cake. While we were at it, we improved all of those site modeling tools you guys have been asking us about for years. Of course, we didn't get to all of the bajillions of wishes and improvements you guys have begged us for, but geez did we make a serious dent in our to do list. So join us when we premier Archicad: You. The fact is this: we see You, we're here for You and let's face it...it's all about You. (Insert GIF of a mic drop here)

 

That's my dream. 

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Wouldn't that be nice? 🥲 Unfortunately tho, we all know Archicad has "jumped the shark!" It'll never again be what Gabor Bojar envisioned for it 40 years ago.

Rex Maximilian, Honolulu, USA - www.rexmaximilian.com
ArchiCAD 25 (user since 3.4, 1991)
16" MacBook Pro; M1 Max (2021), 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 32-Core GPU
Creator of the Maximilian ArchiCAD Template System

Jim Allen
Advocate

Quite a few things to talk about here.

1. Single language installers - hell no! Extra languages require extra resources and will inflate the download and storage size. That's a definite no vote from me.

 

2. Hell yes! Template migration is a real pain, and I don't think it needs to be.

 

3. Libraries - I think this needs a bit of an overhaul. Personally I would rather have a minimal library, and have everything else loaded from the cloud on demand. I would also like to be able to point GS at a network folder containing office standard objects, and have them appear in the object browser without having them bound up in libraries. Do we even need the library approach any more? In the days before everyone had a fast internet connection, there was a clear logic for embedding big libraries. Nowadays, why have a library? Why can't we just have objects we download from the cloud. If we look at how Twinmotion works with its Quixel asset library that seems to be a much better approach. There is a load of resources in the cloud, and they are downloaded and embedded on demand. Imagine how great this could be with things like textures. GS could simply modify and supersede these every release without making them library downloads.

Is this a really pressing requirement though? No. Fix the damned missing and broken features first, and add things like this later.

 

4. Work environments - I think that once you save a work environment for any particular discipline, it should be easy to migrate to a later version. most of the core tools don't change, and when you install an updated version, why can't it check for preferences and offer to load/migrate them to the new version? As long as there is an option to reset the work environment to the default, that should be fine. We can do most of this stuff already though. Again - nothing required immediately, this is yet more 'fluff' that can come later.

 

5. No workarounds version - definitely! I've identified lots of things that ought to be fixed on more than one occasion, and we all have our own ideas. I think someone will have a list somewhere that we can vote on.

 

I also think GS should set up a team purely to develop objects, which has a clear communication conduit with users.

 

Let's be honest - there are lots of things that we can identify that are missing, and GS are not the best people to assess this. We have 6 fireplaces, 2 sailing boats, an outdoor grill, a projector screen, a blender a 1970s coffee machine and even a bloody icemaker but not a single commercial metal gate!

Door signs and splayed reveals in openings? Nope.

 

Come on Graphisoft - we know you can do much better 😉

 

 

 

 

Nader Belal
Mentor

People,

What ever were your suggestions, proposals, request and/or wishes, please add this one up:
- Improve precision of trigonometrical functions/identities 

 

The reason for that is quiet simple, they have a significant impact on almost every aspect working with Archicad, starting from plotting/drawing of curved geometrical entities, to the calculations of surface areas, ... etc, and in GDL this is the 10th time I hit the wall with object I´m creating because the trigonometrical functions aren't accurate enough.

PS: here is my request if you want to add your voice
https://community.Graphisoft.com/t5/Wishes-forum/Request-for-Trignometrical-functions-identity-impor...

A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

like being able to dimension the radius of a hole in a steel plate to 2 decimal places

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If your reply was an example, thank you.

If you reply was a question, no, right now I need 8 decimal fractions for the values of sin, cos, .... of any angle etc

A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

Arsh
Participant

I completely agree with you. I am currently having a similar situation where I am trying to make an office shift from Revit to Archicad and when I have to go through the type of questions the new Archicad users with a huge amount of Architecture and Construction Experience have to do the workarounds that really puts me as an Archicad instructor in a bit of a tight spot.

 

Really hope that Graphisoft will come up with some really responsive solutions in the future versions. Looking forward to that.

Jim Allen
Advocate

Is there a centralised AC27 wishlist someone is managing that we can discuss and vote for?

 

Apologies if this exist and it's developed/managed. I didn't see one, but that might be fault!

 

If not, I think it would be useful to create one.

 

It would be good to categorise proposed features in terms of (for example) 3d modelling basics, data, 2D drafting, printing/presentation, fundamentals and library objects.

 

We could number these, maybe select the top 10 and prioritise.

 

I'm just conscious of the saying "Complaining about things without proposing alternatives is just whining".

 

If we get some kind of list as a community, it at least helps us all (and hopefully Graphisoft) to focus. 

I really don't think so. If you're referring to something official by Graphisoft, I do believe they have something, but from past experience, nothing we wish for is likely to be implemented... unless you're a 100+ seat firm and you're wanting something to do with MEP, structural or IFC. Whatever the bread and butter architects wish for seems to fall through the cracks.

There's not even an official, published road map like Revit, Vectorworks and other major software has. So we have no idea what to expect. But we'll keep paying that yearly fee, which recently went through a 10% increase with not much to show for it.

Rex Maximilian, Honolulu, USA - www.rexmaximilian.com
ArchiCAD 25 (user since 3.4, 1991)
16" MacBook Pro; M1 Max (2021), 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 32-Core GPU
Creator of the Maximilian ArchiCAD Template System

Hi Jim !

 

Well I completely agree with you that there should be a Wishlist of some sort. But I would like to share something which is quite similar to the comment that Rex posted before myself. Before the launch of Archicad 26, I was one of its Beta users and I was asked to submit a feedback to Graphisoft about my experience. So along with my experience and findings from the program I also enlisted some features or enhancements that Graphisoft can and should do to either 26 or any future versions of the program. But, after submitting the feedback the response that I received from their side wasn't much promising. So, this kind of approach furthermore strengthens the comments shared by Rex Maximilian.

 

However, I completely support the idea of creating a Wishlist and putting a rating system on it so as to show Graphisoft the level of demand for the various features listed on the wishlist. If you have any ideas on how we can start that please let me know, we should definitely do so.

 

Thanks & Have a Good One !

I agree with the idea of a curated wishlist, but as i have said in other posts, wishing should not be the only variable.

There should be a combination of desirability and feasibility in the short, medium and long term along with estimated impact on the maximun number of users. For example, some wishes may no be that popular, but they could be done tomorrow if they wanted, while other wishes might take several years to implement.

 

Example:  someone wants parametric free form nurbs modeling WITHIN Archicad.  Without knowing anything about the inner programming of Archicad, I can tell you that implementing something like this would take many years because it would need to write everything from scratch, only to find out that just a very small percentage of users actually work on projects that need this kind of modelling. As such, it would be a tremendous investment over many years that would benefit a small percentage of the comunity while atracting an even smaller segment from other software. Should GS work on something like this? the ones that wish for it will say yes.  Reality might say otherwise. And so forth.

 

Efforts have already been done for a list like this. Im sure with a little input we can come out with a working list of 20-30 items of varying difficulty of implementation, maximum impact and reasonable timeframes, withing the reach of GS actual resourses. A list which, if implemented, could DRAMATICALLY improve user experience of current and future users.

GS have allegedly been working on such a feature for more than a year without giving any updates. So either they are working on something special or they are not working very hard. And let's hope that it is the former because ultimately, I don't see how just putting up a board will make any difference (look at Autodesk for reference). What is needed is a radical change. What is needed is a development process that facilitate and seeks accountability, something like what I outline here.

 

I do think that a user/community initiative to compile and manage a proper list is a good idea as it would consolidate our opinion of the development in a way that is much more concrete than open letters.

Jim Allen
Advocate

So - why don't we start something?

 

Say we start a new dedicated thread, post a document on it which starts the process off, and develop it from there? We can add the document to the very first post, and keep updating it with common agreement based on priority, popularity, difficulty, broad appeal etc.

 

What might be even better is to have a link to a live document that automatically updates.

 

I've only been using Archicad since AC19, so I'm not the best person to start this. There are so many features I don't use, that I would feel a complete fraud being the 'owner' of a community wishlist to share with GS.

 

Here is my 'starter for 10':

 

2D Drafting 

  1. Add option for different arrowheads at each end of line
  2. Add option to hide individual polygon edges
  3. Add shortcut/tool for to rotate selected objects 90 degrees/custom angle

Core modelling features

  1. Improvements to terrain tool: fix inability to have vertical faces in meshes, or replace with updated tool
  2. Enable SEO display on plan
  3. Add array tool to use with beams, columns & objects
  4. increase accuracy option for units
  5. Add projected display option for handrail object

Libraries & objects

  1. Windows & doors: Update to incorporate options for splayed reveals
  2. Doors: add option for door signs
  3. Doors: add option for louvred leaves
  4. Doors: add roller shutter door object
  5. Windows: add option for adding transoms to horizontal multi-sash window
  6. Parking bays: add option for gradients on x and y axes in 3D
  7. Parking bays: add option for custom symbols (e.g. parent/child, EV etc)
  8. Parking bays: add option for custom text prefix/suffix
  9. Level marker - add options to show in 3D, and absolute levels
  10. WC cubicles - add option for shower component
  11. Gradient object with self-calculating options based on 3D start and end point on mesh/morph
  12. Add heat pump & A/C units
  13. Add server cabinet
  14. Add parametric 3d road & junction objects
  15. More wall, roof & slab Accessories

External compatibility

  1. Implement fbx import/export
  2. Implement import of triangulated TIN terrain mesh to Archicad mesh/fix import of surveyors data

Visual Appearance & rendering

  1. Fix reposition of texture origin to work with all objects
  2. Improved textures - not just procedural ones for in-built render engine

Param-O

  1. Add conditional selection node
  2. Show variable values on node dialogs
  3. Show XYZ widget on all solid objects
  4. Add list option for custom input values
  5. Show origin point in 3D window
  6. Better documentation including tutorial videos

Misc

  1. Add option to automatically update templates
  2. Add option to detect & migrate custom toolbars from previous AC installation

This I think ought to be the basis for a spreadsheet, to which we can add tags for things like difficulty, urgency, priority, popularity etc.

 

Feel free to copy it to any responses, adding items as you think necessary. One of you should be able to implement a neat dynamic option to allow this to be updated along lines we collectively agree are appropriate.

 

What do you think?

I don't disagree with the sentiment, unfortunately this will be another attempt to exercise some control that will change nothing. Users can vent and scheme all they want, but until Graphisoft change their attitude to engagement and delivery nothing will change. I don't know where responsibility lies for the communication break down or the slow rate of improvement, it certainly isn't on the user side given the outpouring of frustrations and suggestions to make AC better. Someone within Graphisoft has the power to change this and they need to either step up and address the problems or move on and let someone else build the software back to the flagship position it once held.

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Complaining about something without proposing a better alternative is simply whining 😉

@Jim Allen Consider it whining if that suits your agenda, but I always considered talking to a brick wall to be a pointless gesture. You are welcome to pour as much time as you want into this issue, but I have seen enough examples of Graphisoft's failure to deliver over the years. I and other long time users have tried to engage with GS at various levels on development & improvements, but the outcome is always the same... they deliver what they want, when they want, and more recently deliver it unfinished. There are fundamental CAD features that have been on the Wishlist for nearly 20 years yet we are still waiting. If you think a posted list of wishes will make a difference then on you go, because honestly I don't have an alternative and my willingness to waste my time trying to help GS improve AC is wearing very thin.

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'Agenda'?

I think it's an aspiration rather than an agenda.

Doing nothing will most definitely achieve nothing...

If you have 20 years of built-up frustration, the least you could do is post some additions my list don't you think?

Should make really interesting reading for us noobs!

As I have tried doing something & achieved almost nothing then my motivation is compromised, ever heard the phrase "Like flogging a dead horse"?. Feel free to go through my 2000+ posts for some more ideas. Here are a few easy ones for you, and I am surprised you missed the first one... 

 

1. Instancing with internal editing. Yes that is nearly 20 years old.

2. Development of Styles that are applied to Views and other aspects e.g. text, rather than this stupid "hunt the setting" game we play trying to find why one view looks different to another.

3. Simplification of workflows. We have scattered dialogs with no logical cross linking e.g. in attributes try editing the surface settings associated with a Building Material.

4. Consistency in the user interface. Why are Story appearance settings different between tools?

5. Improve readability of the user interface rather than the grey mush we have now. We used to have coloured icons, except someone decided to be trendy.

6. External Attribute Library for consistency between projects & hotlinks. This should work like the object library.

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Lots of interesting stuff here, while some are great (instancing is the biggie, and one I neglected to include on my list) others are simply nice-to-haves, and are based on your particular opinion though arent they?

I like the clarity of the new monochrome icons!

 

I have created a Google Sheet with the list. I would suggest that everyone debates what should be included, and that no-one makes sweeping changes.

I'll restrict access for editing for now, and see how it goes.

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