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Convert morph faces to walls/slabs/roofs/curtain walls/shell

TMA_80
Contributor
I think this is an important step for the morph tool ( if it is aimed to be used as a massing tool )
this feature ( converting faces into construction elements) is present in Revit and was with the old sketchup Plugin for ArchiCAD.

this step was already asked for the shell tool but it makes more sense with the morph tool
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Anonymous
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You can get volume and surface of a morph, explain more about what you want! A solid morph should act as a wall? Or a single polygon should be able to convert to a wall?

TMA_80
Contributor
TurboGlider wrote:
Or a single polygon should be able to convert to a wall?
More on that side.
AC12_20 |Win10_64bit|

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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My addition to the wish:
Not only a single polygon, but basically any curved or double curved surface or any kind of non-regular surface can be converted into Walls, Slabs etc.
It then cannot be modified by the Wall Tool, but you can place Doors and Windows in it and displays and schedules correctly.
If the geometry changes, you update the Wall etc. based on the new shape of the Morph face.
It is based on the premise that you create a building Mass with the Mass Tool, then convert the surfaces of the Mass to Walls, Slabs, Roofs and Curtain Walls. Also, generate Slabs based on the geometry of the Mass at the floor levels of your stories automatically.
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Anonymous
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Maby TMA_80 was referring not to workarounds but to integrate natively the morph tool into classic construction elements .

First the morph tool must be composite like walls and other construction elements .

This is more useful if you have complex or composite walls and the same sandwich structure into the morph tool structure , they must connect intelligent in 2d like walls do .

Practically the morph volume become a real wall with all attribute but with non standard geometry .

I admit that applying standard wall accessories to a such wall is not possible because his geometry .

Anonymous
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laszlonagy wrote:
Not only a single polygon, but basically any curved or double curved surface or any kind of non-regular surface can be converted into Walls, Slabs etc.
How?

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Sasha wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
Not only a single polygon, but basically any curved or double curved surface or any kind of non-regular surface can be converted into Walls, Slabs etc.
How?
Sorry, from my reply it was not clear that I was also wishing. I modified my post so it is not ambiguous.
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Anonymous
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Exactly! I thought this was a feature in 16 already, but apparently not...

That is, from the webinar that showed the development of the massing model of the library, I thought they converted the morph...

I would like to be able to convert elements (polygons) that I have individually selected to become "roof" or "wall" or whatever elements, as appropriate.
laszlonagy wrote:
My addition to the wish:
Not only a single polygon, but basically any curved or double curved surface or any kind of non-regular surface can be converted into Walls, Slabs etc.
It then cannot be modified by the Wall Tool, but you can place Doors and Windows in it and displays and schedules correctly.
If the geometry changes, you update the Wall etc. based on the new shape of the Morph face.
It is based on the premise that you create a building Mass with the Mass Tool, then convert the surfaces of the Mass to Walls, Slabs, Roofs and Curtain Walls. Also, generate Slabs based on the geometry of the Mass at the floor levels of your stories automatically.

Anonymous
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i am joining to this wish

Anonymous
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I would find this useful.
Morph should give the possibility to be used as a "massing" tool, and then be quickly transformed into a wall or curtain wall.
But the guys should rewrite the code behind walls and curtain walls so that won't happen anytime soon.

Anonymous
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New user. Archicad 19 solo.
Where did this wish get to in the years since this thread started?
Is it now possible to convert a morph into a building element such as a wall, beam or column?

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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No, there was no new development in ARCHICAD in this area.
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Anonymous
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Pity. As a beginner it appears that all the work to create morph masses and objects at the beginning of a design project need to be reworked and rebuilt with building elements, walls, roofs etc. Seems very inefficient.
I can import a sketch-up model that is quicker and easier to build so I am wondering why the morph tools got added to Archicad? I hope I am missing something here.

Eduardo Rolon
Moderator
Stewart my experience is that eventually you will be able to model faster in AC than you ever did in SketchUp with all the other benefits that AC has to offer. One of the benefits of having the Morph tool is having the ability to use SKP workflows within AC.
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Anonymous
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Stewart my experience is that eventually you will be able to model faster in AC than you ever did in SketchUp with all the other benefits that AC has to offer. One of the benefits of having the Morph tool is having the ability to use SKP workflows within AC.
I join this wish and I'm 100% agree with you ejrolon, I used Sketchup before I knew Archicad, but as soon as as Knew AC and get used to it a little I realize the advantage I have and stop using sketchup. Now with the morph tool Archicad is even better, but still this wish and a few more things that could be added to the morph tool (like sweep along a path a profile) would make the morph a much better tool.

Anonymous
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Thank you all for your replies.
I wonder what the typical work flow is using morph. Do you reach a point and then replace the massing morph with walls, slabs roofs etc.? and then delete the original morphs?

Anonymous
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I also think this feature would be much needed. At this moment i think Revit is the only software capable of converting any 3d face into walls. Working with massing at the beginning is essential. Right now the workflow is reversed since you can only convert walls into morph, which is usefull as a design refinement or detailing but not for initial concept. Is it so difficult to rethink the construction elements coding? Right now i guess all of them are based on simple vertical extrusions. Maybe they can just write a new code for the Wall from Morph face, don`t need to re-do whats already done. The resulting wall from morph face does`nt need to be as flexibile as the simple wall but it should be able to receive windows, and to intersect properly with other walls.

Anonymous
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This is an important step towards modelling flexibility. Nothing new about it? Please add this feature! If Mesh to Roof is posibile why not morph surface to Walls?

Mohamed Ahmed
Newcomer
Please Archicad company the Morph tool great, but using much easier so the model can be converted to morph in ArchiCAD, but if the morph can be converted to walls/slabs/roofs/curtain walls .. will be the superior program. I am one of the people admire Archicad and I learned both ArchiCAD and Revit to know which is easier and high efficiency, the problem is Revit can import (STL) format and considered as massing so can be modified to walls. so Organic forums can be walls and can open doors and windows,, if you know what I mean it will the revolution in Archicad if it used .. please reconsider that. Imagine after import any complex forum from sketch up or Rhino then convert to Morph then from Morph change to walls/slabs/roofs/curtain walls ... I really want Archicad to be the Top program.

Paul King
Expert
Morphs should be able to convert to meshes, within the limitation of meshes. Or meshes should be updated to work like morphs (so you could for example model a steep cliff or hillside with a cave in it, without striking the restriction on no vertical or concave faces
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