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Different handles on two door sides

Mike96
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I can see an important possible feature of adding different handles on each side of a door. In bigger buildings we need evacuation doors with a panic bar on one side and a standard handle on the other, while Archicad only lets us place panic bar on both sides. Which does make no sense because evacuation is always a one-way trip... You don't need a panic bar on the other side.
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10
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Mike96:

In the US Library, this is already possible. For example, D1 Metal 24 door > Metal Door Settings > Door Leaf and Handle > Edited Handle has options for Outside and Inside, allowing each side to have a different handle, including 2 options just for panic bar.

David
David Maudlin / Architect
www.davidmaudlin.com
Digital Architecture
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Mike96
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But the US library is not the INT library, right?
If I have INT or Polish version, can I use an element from US library in my model? Can I import it somehow? If so, do I need to have ArchiCAD US installed, or can somebody just copy their US library item and send me?
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10

Mike96:

You can search this forum for various ways to use a part from another library, and the possible problems to watch out for; perhaps someone following this thread will post some links. There is also at least one poll for a unified AC library, rather than the various regional versions.

David
David Maudlin / Architect
www.davidmaudlin.com
Digital Architecture
AC24 USA • iMac 27" 4.0GHz Quad-core i7 | 24 gb ram • MacBook Pro 2.8GHz | 16 gb ram • OSX10.14.6

Mike96
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Thanks, David, I'll do some research on it.
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10

Mike96
Booster
Ok, I searched, I googled but haven't found anything relevant. The search feature on this forum is pretty much useless. It always tells me that my input is too general and won't even try to find anything.
Can someone tell me if I really need to install Archicad US to get that door or could someone please just send me that element so I could try importing it to my AC INT? Maybe there's some place on the internet with Archicad libraries free to download?
By the way, I agree that at least the INT version should really contain all possible "regional" libraries.
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10

Mike96
Booster
I found some objects with "USA" in name in Archicad 24 INT using BIM Components Portal, including some metal doors but none with two editable handles.
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10

Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
Mike96 wrote:
The search feature on this forum is pretty much useless. It always tells me that my input is too general and won't even try to find anything.

Yeah, this forums search function ignores like all of the main search queries you might makes regarding AC objects... You can put the forum website address together with a search query into google so that it just searches the forum. eg. archicad-talk.graphisoft.com door



Ling.
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DGSketcher
Virtuoso
Mike96 wrote:
I can see an important possible feature of adding different handles on each side of a door. In bigger buildings we need evacuation doors with a panic bar on one side and a standard handle on the other, while Archicad only lets us place panic bar on both sides. Which does make no sense because evacuation is always a one-way trip... You don't need a panic bar on the other side.
On self closing doors a push plate and pull handle is also a very common arrangement.
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Mike96
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Ok, cool but can someone please answer my questions?

Is it possible to import AC US library elements (preferably: only one element) to AC INT or PL? Do I need to have both installed to do this?
Is it possible to separate-export a single library element from AC US and import it to AC INT or PL?
Is it possible that someone with AC US exports a single library element, sends it to me and I import it to my AC INT or PL?
Can I find and import library elements from other regional AC versions using BIM Component Portal?
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10

Barry Kelly
Moderator
The INT and USA doors and windows are completely different to each other as you have found.
Different features and they use their own macros, so it is not a case of simply adding a USA door to the INT library.

If you get a USA object from BIMcomponents, it will download with all of the required macros as well.
You can add this to you embedded library and it should work as expected.

If you can't find what you want in BIMcomponents, then you will need to download the USA version of Archicad to access the USA library.

You may not be able to run the USA version depending on the language version of the license you have, but you can access the USA library by loading in it your version.

I don't know if it is a good idea to have 2 language libraries loaded in the one file, so you may want to load just the USA library.
Then place just the door/window you want and then 'save as' an Archive file - try to delete everything else from the file so you have just a wall and a door/window.
Now when you open this archive file you will have the option of creating a library (i.e. not reading from the archive).
This should give you a library with the door/window and the required macros as well.

I am not sure if this is going to be error free as I have never tried it - but I imagine some macro could be missing.

BIMcomponents is the best option if it has what you want.
Maybe someone that has used both INT and USA libraries at the same time can elaborate more.
i.e. can both be loaded at the same time?
Then you may not have to mess around archiving the file to get the objects.


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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
Barry wrote:
Then place just the door/window you want and then 'save as' an Archive file - try to delete everything else from the file so you have just a wall and a door/window.
Now when you open this archive file you will have the option of creating a library (i.e. not reading from the archive).
This should give you a library with the door/window and the required macros as well.

There is no need to archive. After placing the relevant objects in a completely blank file, you can just use the "Embed placed objects of selected library". This will copy any placed objects and their macros into the embedded library where you can then export to where ever you desire. If your file was not blank, you may have to search through a heap of irrelevant macros. I did this with the AC19 railings and stairs when I started using AC21.



Ling.
AC18-23 AUS 7000
Self-taught, bend it till it breaks.
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Mike96
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Thank you, it will surely help me
ArchiCAD 24
Windows 10

Nader Belal
Advisor
Add to @Mike96 request ...

I would like to add the option that door handels can be turned on/off on every doors' panels sides, independently.
A good friend of mine have once told me that I´m so brute that I´m capable of creating a GDL script capable of creating GDLs.

On the INT library, the "Store front" door gives you the option to have different door handles on a door.

Just checked my AC23 project using the Dutch localisation, we also have the option to check a setting for using the same handle or a different one for each panel for the standard doors.

Erwin Edel, Project Lead, Leloup Architecten
www.leloup.nl

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