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Hide element via Graphic Override

Podolsky
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Add possibility to hide element via Graphic Override. It will help to better manage construction phases.
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Barry Kelly
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If you want people to vote for your wish - add a poll when you create it.
I have added one for you - don't forget to vote yourself.

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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
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Hello Podolsky,

Thank you very much for sharing the wish!

May I ask what would be the difference between this and Renovation Filter? With Renovation Filter, we can also hide elements based on their renovation status - To be demolished, Existing or New. Could you clarify a bit more about what you want to achieve with Graphic Override?

Thank you very much!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Podolsky
Mentor
The point is, that in real construction renovation stages might happens in different time - for example it is possible to retain the old roof until demolishing and building new elements under it, and after demolish (replace) the roof.
Installation also can be split into several steps - for example several concrete pours for the slab, steel members deliveries and installation, wall panels etc.
Having "hide elements" in graphic overrides can help to build several models, that can visualise these construction stages.
Please take a look on attached images, I extracted from BIMx. I have created BIMx file, showing steel deliveries on site, that builders used during installation. To achieve that, I needed to select elements by specific properties and show in 3D only selected elements. If I had option "hide elements" in graphic overrides, it would be much faster to make such a models.
Maybe, as an option, to have possibilities to create custom renovation statuses: "Demolition Stage 1", "Demolition Stage 2", "Delivery 1", "Delivery 2"...
I understand that there is exist special software on the market, that helps to visualise construction stages, but ArchiCAD also can do it very good, it just need a little bit adjustments.

Aaron Bourgoin
Advocate
Hi Minh,

I think using Renovation Settings for this might be just too much of a workaround response. Renovation Statis needs a whole lot of work still, while making this work with Graphic overrides or some other means might be closer to achieving a standard action for this kind of work.
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Eduardo Rolon
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FWIW.
One workaround I use is to use Properties to Assign Phase then use GOs to change the object Surface to "Air" and change linetype to a specific one.
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runxel
Mentor
What we actually need is that the new issue manager can hide or show things.
The issue manager is great, and it's 90% there of what we need: An easy way to show variants.
The problem is that if you choose to abuse the reno filter for that, you can't use it for its actual use case.
This renders the whole Reno Filter workaround (and thats what it is. A WORKAROUND) unusable for me and I guess for many others as well.

It just needs a tiny bit of work and the issue manager is a truly wonderful tool + A SOLUTION. Make it happen!

(And don't abuse the graphic overrides for this either!)
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DGSketcher
Virtuoso
May be it's just me but I didn't connect with Issue Manager and don't really see it easily solving the display issue.

The only problem with using the Renovation Filters is that to use it an element is stuck on a single filter setting. If the filter operated more like layer combos where an element is assigned to different filters then the problem could be solved for all sorts of issues including phasing and alternative layouts. For example an element could be common to a proposed layout and assigned to appear with Filters 1 AND 2 but you could have optional furniture layouts that only appear on Filter 1 OR 2. Another option would be to use it so that elements can be displayed by a classification e.g. by trade, IFC or other classification system. Allowing assignment to multiple filters would make the display options adaptable to different user needs whilst still retaining the New, Demo, Existing option.

For GOs I still see them as being as described... a means to control appearance of fills, textures and pens not to try and make things disappear.
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Podolsky
Mentor
I know it'a possible to make elements "disappear", by overriding material to invisible. But it cannot be right solution - because, even if it's invisible, elements still will present in the model (end exported to BIMx).

Please do not forget, that in real construction demolition can happen in several phases and some new elements can be built before demolishing something (for example to retain old roof structure to protect construction from the rain) - so, possibility to create several renovation phases would be cool feature.

Braza
Newcomer
Or... We could have a Model Filter View Option.
This, and Date and Time Property data type plus resurrecting the good old Construction Simulation Addon could be a robust solution for this issue.
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Podolsky
Mentor
Something like that...
Maybe keep renovation and overrides as it is, but add new filter called "construction stages", where possible to create as many entries, as possible. Then element renovation status will be let say "new", but it can belong to construction stage 1 (or "delivery 1", "delivery 2", "installation 1", "installation 2" etc.) - it can be shown or hidden and has different overrides, if needed.
As about construction simulation add-on - I had idea to create additional panel with timeline (similar to many animation software). Then all stages can "hang" on this timeline - and as soon as you press "play" - shows how building is "growing". With additional commands in GDL, objects like cranes and delivery lorries can be animated too.

DGSketcher
Virtuoso
I don't recall seeing a wish for the renovation filter option so I have posted one...
https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=325264#p325264

I have on more than one occasion looked at the Construction Simulation Add-on. For some businesses I can see it could be really useful if you have the resources to manage it. I am surprised GS don't make more of it, I would have thought it would have more value than SAM to a large designer practice. I was considering it myself to coordinate the assembly order on SIPs panels.

MFVO: I think a replacement for layers will come in time, but don't hold your breath.
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Braza
Newcomer
Podolsky wrote:
Maybe keep renovation
I really don't see the point of maintaining Renovation an Partial Structure Display View Options... Or even Layers (Ok... Sorry for the heresy )
Isn't Consistency our long time mantra here on the forum?

Podolsky wrote:
As about construction simulation add-on - I had idea to create additional panel with timeline (similar to many animation software)
Where would you create this additional panel?

DGSketcher wrote:
MFVO: I think a replacement for layers will come in time, but don't hold your breath.
Perhaps we should stop breathing and start doing photosynthesis.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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DGSketcher
Virtuoso
Renovation Filters I don't use much as most of my work is NEW build BUT I do think they have an important role in renovation & extension work. Partial Structure Display I use most of the time. Were you intending these to be in the model filter instead or replaced with some other workflow?
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Braza
Newcomer
Renovation Status and Structural Function could be regular properties added to elements. Then I would simply create a specific Filter with a specific Rule (This Rule could be added to other Filters, the same way we do with GO). Same thing to Construction Phase...

The main obstacle to achieve this, that I can see, is that it would need that every single element in AC, 2d or 3d, could have properties and classifications. And Model Filters should work inside CP's BM's. I know that the implementation of this functionality in AC wouldn't be a walk in the park, but IMHO this is the logic way to go when we all see the extreme complexity of models/projects this days.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
AC24_INT#3008 / I7 / 16Gb / 512Mb SSD / Windows 10

Podolsky
Mentor
Construction timeline panel can have two versions: one is compact horizontal, that can be located anywhere in the interface (see picture). Another can be full - it might have interface of calendar and "run" vertically.
Well, I'm not ArchiCAD developer and not software interface engineer. Just a raw idea.

Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Dear All,

Thank you very much for your discussion for this wish! This is very helpful for me to understand exactly the goal of the wish.

I have summarized your ideas and combined them into our Wish List database (please refer to it as IDEA-310). I really hope that our Product Management will consider implementing it in the near future!

Thank you all once more, and have a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Braza
Newcomer
@Minh
Thanks for the feedback Minh. Always appreciated. BTW... I can see that something has changed in GS's Users Wishlist Reference Number (IDEA-310).

@ Podolsky
I like the idea of a Timeline Bar. Perhaps it could be added to the existent Dialog Box in the Construction Simulation Addon . We sure have derailed the topic , but I would also like to see some automatic layout creation fed by properties... I mean create automatic sets of drawings based on a "Phase" property values. But I think it would be more an AI thing.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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