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Import PDF

rm
Advocate
Many have asked for this, GS seems to keep ignoring the need for PDF file import into PM. Thousands of Manufacturer specifications are written in PDF format.

HEY GS, what the heck is the problem? Why can't we get PDF file into PM 9.0. Are you guys ever going to implement this much needed feature?

This would also be helpful for schedules and specifications written in Excell and Word, as cutting and pasting works marginally well into PM from both of those file formats.

How about it GS.......care to chime in on this one?
Robert Mariani
MARIANI design studio, PLLC
Architecture / Architectural Photography
www.robertmariani.com

Mac OSX 11.6
AC 24 / 25
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Anonymous
Not applicable
PDF format is ubiquitous, let's get moving on doing something about or I'll move off of Graphisoft.

PDF is supposed a secure format for reliable and consistant printing, if we were able to place & or edit / crop pdf files it would no longer be a secure format, and for all intents and purposes we may as well distribute a dwg / ifc etc.
If you want to print pdf's do it from acrobat, if you need drawing info to include in your drawings get it from its author in a format that can be used in ArchiCAD.
PDF helps us keep the copyright to our drawings, we should not be seeking to dilute the security of this format.
Regards,
Scott


HPZ1 G8 i7-11700 32BG RAM, Nvidia RTX 3070 8GB
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TomWaltz
Newcomer
HEY GS, what the heck is the problem? Why can't we get PDF file into PM 9.0. Are you guys ever going to implement this much needed feature?
PDF format is ubiquitous, let's get moving on doing something about or I'll move off of Graphisoft. Mad
The thing you have to realize is that Adobe charges manufacturers a pretty large amount of money t be able to import PDFs. Is it worth adding $100 or more to the cost of the next version to have this?

If not.... then I hope you enjoy whatever you switch to.
Tom Waltz

rm
Advocate
Scott wrote:
PDF is supposed a secure format for reliable and consistent printing, if we were able to place & or edit / crop pdf files it would no longer be a secure format, and for all intents and purposes we may as well distribute a dwg / ifc etc.
If you want to print pdf's do it from acrobat, if you need drawing info to include in your drawings get it from its author in a format that can be used in ArchiCAD.
PDF helps us keep the copyright to our drawings, we should not be seeking to dilute the security of this format.

Scott, while your opinion is welcome, it seems that you missed the main point.

First: The "main" point of this post was not to be able to publish PDFs from PlotMaker; which as you should know can be done already from both ArchiCAD & PlotMaker, with or without Adobe Acrobat Professional.

Second: if I we were using AutoCADD instead of PlotMaker, we most certainly could get MORE manufacturers information text in a format acceptable for import, but I assume most people reading this use PlotMaker regularly.

Third: Yes it is true that one of the main benefits of PDf files is security. But what you missed here is the fact that there is no vehicle to import neither publicly produced PDFs, from a manufacturer that freely distributes them, and your own ability to produce and import PDFs, say for schedules, specifications, or images of work you have produced that you do want to protect!

As a matter of fact, a "secure" PDF can only be printed or manipulated by someone that has a password, you can even control printing quality and size. So unless you distribute the passwords to your protected pdf files, short of a hack attack, they are secure.

Im with you 100% in protecting copyright of documents, and I am not suggesting you copy anything illegally, nor would I condone that. However, I suspect most nations have strong copyright laws to protect their creative material, I know we do here in the US.

I hope I have cleared up the often requested need for PDFs in PM for you. Have a good one!
Robert Mariani
MARIANI design studio, PLLC
Architecture / Architectural Photography
www.robertmariani.com

Mac OSX 11.6
AC 24 / 25

Ted Taylor
Contributor
The thing you have to realize is that Adobe charges manufacturers a pretty large amount of money t be able to import PDFs. Is it worth adding $100 or more to the cost of the next version to have this?
Yes! Less than one billable hour. I just spent that much time cleaning up shifted text and lines in importing construction notes from Excel into Plotmaker.
Ted Taylor
Atlanta, GA , USA
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rm
Advocate
TomWaltz wrote:


The thing you have to realize is that Adobe charges manufacturers a pretty large amount of money t be able to import PDFs. Is it worth adding $100 or more to the cost of the next version to have this?

If not.... then I hope you enjoy whatever you switch to.



Tom as a courtesy, probably a good idea to capture the persons name associated with a quote. Combining quotes to make your point without names is a little misleading.

That said, incase you have not noticed virtually every major and minor graphic related program on the Mac side, and suspect this holds true for Windows too, imports PDFs. Even MS Word imports them.

So while there MAY be some cost charged by Adobe to license importing of PDFs, which I wonder where you get you figures on that from, I dought it is cost prohibitive. If we can get PDF import with MS word, a program that costs under $400.00 US, then I think a $4,000.00 US, "industry leading" software program should provide it too!

If you personally are responsible for paying for ArchiCAD at the company you work for, I think you know how much it costs. GS could absorb and amortize the licensing cost into each AC license easily, assuming a cost exists as you suggest.

What is rather confusing to me in your reply is your willingness to deny those who need PDF import from having it. Seems odd to me. My reseller tells me that this is feature requested by many resellers based on their clients (us) needs, but just keeps getting ignored by GS for some reason.
Robert Mariani
MARIANI design studio, PLLC
Architecture / Architectural Photography
www.robertmariani.com

Mac OSX 11.6
AC 24 / 25

rm
Advocate
Ted wrote:

Yes! Less than one billable hour.

Ted,
Excellent point!!!!!!!
Robert Mariani
MARIANI design studio, PLLC
Architecture / Architectural Photography
www.robertmariani.com

Mac OSX 11.6
AC 24 / 25

gerd
Newcomer
absolutely necessary!

in the meantime we can use ghostscript, ghostview and pstoedit to convert pdf to dxf.
the dxf is only version 10, but it can be imported in archicad or plotmaker. of course many things have to be changed after the import, this is not the easy way.

the other possibility for people who work with 2d graphic software or layout software is to import pdf there and export is also as dxf.

I'm sure, graphisoft can do this better.

Vitruvius
Participant
I'd throw my support behind the 'import PDF' bandwagon as well.

I doubt the cost of integrating it is $100.

As mentioned, MS Word imports it and it costs $400. I can't imagine a word processing programme owned by Microsoft is paying 25% of their gross to Adobe!! Especially as they're a word processing programme and not a high end graphics programme!!

It would be a very useful feature in my opinion.

Cheers,
Cameron Hestler, Architect



AC 24 & 25 (3011) / MacMini i7-8700B @ 3.2 GHz / 32GB Ram / 512GB SSD

LG Ultrafine 4K monitor 22" & 27”

Mac OS 11.6 Big Sur

Aussie John
Newcomer
I thought PDF even though invented by Adobe, was in a way open source hence it is built into the Mac OS.
If Adobe got $100 for every application that could import PDFs they could well be richer than Microsoft. I could be wrong but I am not sure they get any royalties for it.
As for importing PDF - yes
Cheers John
John Hyland : ARINA : www.arina.biz
User ver 4 to 12 - Jumped to v22 - so many options and settings!!!
OSX 10.15.6 [Catalina] : Archicad 22 : 15" MacBook Pro 2019
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Anonymous
Not applicable
I agree. There are so many other third party apps out there that can.
I import .pdf in Corel Draw save as high res .jpg insert into PM crop what I want and I am done.

rm
Advocate
hhd801 wrote:
I agree. There are so many other third party apps out there that can.
I import .pdf in Corel Draw save as high res .jpg insert into PM crop what I want and I am done.
hhd801,

are you agreeing that PM should import .pdf files directly, or that it is not needed. Hard to tell from your message.

Robert Mariani
MARIANI design studio, PLLC
Architecture / Architectural Photography
www.robertmariani.com

Mac OSX 11.6
AC 24 / 25

Anonymous
Not applicable
My point was that I feel PM and AC has no excuse not to have the ability to import if so many other programs out there can. The corel issue was a quick work around for anyone that needed it.

Sorry for the confusion

owen
Newcomer
Shameless b**p

I just received a series of Thermal Performance Compliance Certificates from our environmental engineer which need to be placed on the coversheet of our DA set.

Surprisingly these were in that little known global standard document format PDF. Unfortunately AC10 cannot import PDF's ... we need to do something really dumb > convert them into a JPG. Seriously.

Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format:

Portable Document Format (PDF) is an open standard file format, proprietary to Adobe Systems ... PDF is also an open standard in the sense that anyone may create applications that read and write PDF files without having to pay royalties to Adobe Systems; Adobe has a number of patents relating to the PDF format, but licenses them on a royalty-free basis for use in developing software that complies with the PDF specification.

http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.html

PDF is increasingly becoming 'The World Standard' format for document transfer. Personally I think it already is. Every single application I use on a daily basis can Import/Create PDF files .... Oh wait except one. Archicad 10

Bottom line GS - This is not good enough. We use PDF all day, every day .. more than JPG, TIFF, whatever. You have the resources. Fix it. It shouldn't wait another two years until AC11. It can be done now.

This topic has over 50 Important+ votes ... which by the standards of the wish lists is a pretty resounding Yes Please!. And its been that way for some time.

So are you listening to us or not? A response would be nice ... if there is a strong technical reason preventing it i'm all ears

This really shouldn't be an issue.
cheers,

Owen Sharp

Design Technology Manager
fjmt | francis-jones morehen thorp

iMac 27" i7 2.93Ghz | 32GB RAM | OS 10.10 | Since AC5

Aussie John
Newcomer

How about file>>external content>> place external drawing
Cheers John
John Hyland : ARINA : www.arina.biz
User ver 4 to 12 - Jumped to v22 - so many options and settings!!!
OSX 10.15.6 [Catalina] : Archicad 22 : 15" MacBook Pro 2019
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owen
Newcomer




thats priceless. too much time at my desk this week - time to go home!

I actually tried to do that via the Drawing Tool and all the PDF files were greyed out. Being tired and prone to jumping to conclusions I assumed that as the AC browser was giving me a PDF icon, I assumed it recognised them as PDFs and that therefore PDF Import was still not available (now i remember it being in the New Features guide).

However what I hadn't checked was that PDF was in the format types available ... I kinda assumed that if I had All Available Types active it would pick them up if it could ... so i never pulled down that menu.

You made me go back and look again. It seems that the engineer has thrown in an extra full stop in the document name, which as it was truncated I never saw:

S4053 6z Lot 13 ABSA Thermal performance v6.1 Rev B spec block.pdf

So now knowing it is supposed to work I figure that extra dot must be causing AC headaches, despite it aparently knowing it was a PDF.

And that was the problem. I copied and renamed the file and it picked it up (see attached showing original and renamed files via AC browser).

Anyway .... my bad. Even though GS track record on these things does lend itself to making these assumptions I should have asked again first.

I apologise. Thanks for giving us direct PDF links!
cheers,

Owen Sharp

Design Technology Manager
fjmt | francis-jones morehen thorp

iMac 27" i7 2.93Ghz | 32GB RAM | OS 10.10 | Since AC5

owen
Newcomer
Actual scratch that about the extra full stop. I shortened the name too in that example .. just tried again deleting only the . and it didn't work

Its the 27 character limit!
cheers,

Owen Sharp

Design Technology Manager
fjmt | francis-jones morehen thorp

iMac 27" i7 2.93Ghz | 32GB RAM | OS 10.10 | Since AC5

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