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Magic Wand should recognize Columns

runxel
Mentor
Something really obvious, so obvious even, it should be classified rather as a bug than a wish:
The magic wand currently doesn't know what a column is.

Try to magic wand a fill into a room which has a column in one of the walls.
The fill will flow out of the room...
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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi runxel,

Thank you very much for the request!

To help me understand it correctly, could you share some screenshots of the situation you are having? With 4 walls and a column inside one of the wall, the magic wand still recognizes a correct fill boundary in my test.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

runxel
Mentor
Sure, Minh!
I had a situation similar to this one. In blue the fill I want.
As you can see the column doesn't get recognized by the magic wand.
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vdentello
Participant
runxel wrote:
Sure, Minh!
I had a situation similar to this one. In blue the fill I want.
As you can see the column doesn't get recognized by the magic wand.

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I think it should be an on/off option, not wanting the columns to be considered could be something!
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runxel
Mentor
vdentello wrote:
I think it should be an on/off option, not wanting the columns to be considered could be something!
Yeah, it could be, but certainly not by me

Foremost I want my tools to behave, and in the moment they don't. If things don't adhere to standards then there is only chaos.
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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Dear All,

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on this wish!

I tested with all construction tools and came to a conclusion: the contour from certain tools can become fill's boundary, while others cannot:

What works as a zone/fill boundary (these do not necessary be in the same plane - only their visible contour in 2D will be enough)
- Wall
- Slab
- Beam
- Curtain wall
- Mesh
- Morph
- Roof
- Shell
What does not work as a zone/fill boundary:
- Column
- Object
- Railing
- Stair

This, I entered a wish (#13028) for better contour detection for Magic Wand.
Thank you once again for sharing the wish! I hope our Product Management team will adopt it soon!

Have a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

p/s: certainly 2D elements can also be the fill's boundary in this case, thus, drawing a line can be an (ugly) workaround sometimes.

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

mnguyen wrote:
What does not work as a zone/fill boundary:
- Column
- Object
- Railing
- Stair
Spot the obvious odd one out, the other three I wouldn't expect to form part of a boundary for the magic wand.
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mbl
Newcomer
It also bugs me that there is no plan-intersection that you can snap to between an edge of a Column and any other 2D/3D element.

Say you have a wall and a column and they do intersect at certain points, but you can't snap to the intersection in plan.

That was one of the first things that I found disturbing when I started working in Archicad 10 years ago and I still can't understand why is it like that... But I guess this "bug" is also why the Magic Wand has no effect on Columns.
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
mnguyen wrote:
What does not work as a zone/fill boundary:
- Column
- Object
- Railing
- Stair
Just a note here:
Columns do work as Zone Boundaries, they will be recognized when creating Zones with automatic boundary recognition methods. In AC24, the "Relation to Zones" fields in on the "Column" page of the Column Settings Dialog.

So, this wish is only about the Magic Wand not recognizing Columns as boundaries.
So, this is not about Zone/Fill boundaries (it could also be about Polylines, Slabs contours, etc.).
It is about edges recognized by the Magic Wand Tool.
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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi Laci,

Thank you for the comment! Yes, this is what I clarified in the wish entry.

But your input also raises a question: if a column is set as Zone boundary, should the Zone tool recognize it when using Inner Edge method?



Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

runxel
Mentor
mnguyen wrote:
But your input also raises a question: if a column is set as Zone boundary, should the Zone tool recognize it when using Inner Edge method?
Of course it should! No doubt there.
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Yes, it should.

But Mihn, did you try this with AC24? From the icon color in the upper left corner of that Warning Box, it seems like AC22.
It works fine for me in AC24.
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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi Laci,

I tested with AC24 and got the same warning. I looked back at our User Guide, it is clearly stated that:

Inner Edge method: ARCHICAD defines the zone area by the inner edges of walls.

Anyhow, let's not drive this further away from the Magic Wand topic 😉 I agree that the Magic Wand should be able to recognize the contour better.

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

kmitotk
Booster

Zone tool does recognize column shapes. So assuming you already have a zone (inner-edged) for the room, you can magic wand the zone instead of the blank space to apply fill to the room.

 

Note that only the columns attached to the boundary wall will be recognized and any  independent columns within the room will still be ignored unfortunately. But you can select the fill you placed and activate "Subtract from polygon" from the pet pallet and magic wand click on the zone edges around those independent columns to cut out the fill.

 

But by all means, magic wand should recognize columns.

Kei Mito
Architect
ArchiCAD 17-24
Dell Precision 5810

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