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Modify Surface Finishes of Complex Profiles

Anonymous
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We have created typical interior partitions using complex profiles to include modifiable wall base. But in using complex profiles, we have seemingly lost the ability to use the paint brush tool to independently override the surface finishes of complex profile wall.

When using a composite wall, I could, for example, paint one side of the wall blue, while the opposite side, and edge faces of the wall retained their building material appearance or whatever other surface finishes we had applied.

Now using complex profiles, if I use the paint brush tool to paint one side of the wall blue, the entire wall element - all sides and edge surfaces - are overridden.

is there an existing solution to making the complex profile and paint brush work together the way that composite walls currently function?
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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
Use Profile Modifiers to create extra layers in your Complex Profile that match up to the surfaces you are wanting. Then set the ones that are not required to ZERO thickness.

I think there maybe a wish somewhere regarding an ability to define interior and exterior of Complex Profiles.
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Barry Kelly
Moderator
LowFalutin wrote:
is there an existing solution to making the complex profile and paint brush work together the way that composite walls currently function?

No, unfortunately not.
Composite walls have an inside surface, outside surface and end (includes top and bottom) surface.
Complex profile walls only have 2 surfaces - just the ends and another for the inside, outside, top and bottom combined.

So as Ling suggested you can use modifiers in the complex profile to create surfaces that you can activate by adjusting there thickness or height.
This is great as you can adjust each wall instance separately.

Otherwise you have to edit the surfaces in the complex profile itself, but this will alter all placed instances of the wall.

Barry.

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Anonymous
Not applicable
@LowFalutin

I think this is a valid important wish.
But I think you should rephrase the wish title to "Modify Complex Profiles Surface Finishes on individual elements".
This would avoid creating extremely complex Complex Profiles (sorry for the pun ) with offset modifiers.
Individual Element surface editing is the logic way to handle this, as it is not very logic to create a special CP or BM just to change a CP BM Surface. Paint/tile finish is a good example.
It could be included on a wish I had already made here.

Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi All,

Thank you very much for creating this poll, and for those of you who voted to express their opinion.

I am happy to say we took notice of this wish and I have added it into our WishList database (please refer to it in the future as Wish #12657). Hopefully, our Product Management team will adopt this one in the future.

Thank you all once more, and I wish you a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Barry Kelly
Moderator
Thanks Minh,
If you can tell us some time in the future that we can now modify the individual surfaces of a complex profile, you will reach "Hero" status in this forum.

Barry.

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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
So, that would be implemented through the Profile Modifiers dialogue? Select edge => define as customisable surface.
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Barry Kelly
Moderator
Adding a customisable surface would have nothing to do with profile modifiers.
Many profile surfaces do not have modifiers.
Any surface needs to be customisable.

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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
But at current, there are only the three surface settings, so using those would be severely limiting in regards to Complex Profiles. So I figure they could implement it similar to the Profile Modifiers. You add how ever many you want, and link them to each other when they are related.
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DGSketcher
Virtuoso
I would imagine this is handled more like morph faces e.g. you click on an exposed face, if AC finds a closed boundary then that face is tagged with the required finish. The solution will need to sit somewhere between surface overrides in a complex profile definition and the new beam segmentation in AC23.
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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
I would think that a system similar to the Morph part selection would be poor as you cannot group faces which would make modification of multiple profiles tedious...



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artktecture
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I recently took a couple full days to perfect my exterior stud wall complex profile to work exactly the way I want it to. In addition to the nominal height (which links to storeys) and nominal width (set to control the stud depth), I have 25 profile offset modifiers which control everything including the exterior sheathing, exterior rigid insulation, and interior drywall thicknesses, three horizontal bands of exterior finish that can accommodate a masonry base and cap, primary siding color, and upper accent siding color, three trim bands that can be used for shadow boards, belly bands, or trim above the masonry top cap, crown molding and baseboard height/thickness, and the thickness of the finish floor. I've tested all the modifiers thoroughly and it worked great until I tried to override the surfaces of individual components of the profile. What a let down!

 

Does anyone know if this wish has been added to AC25? I'm still running version 24 but will upgrade if this is available.

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No, no change in 25.

You have to duplicate your profile (if you want to keep the original materials) and then change the building materials used for the fills or customise the edge materials on the fills.

 

It sounds like your complex profile is complex enough as it is, so you probably won't be wanting to add extra fills with modifiers that use different alternate materials.

 

Barry.


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Thanks. I hadn't thought of adding extra fills for alternate materials. That would work but add quite a few more modifiers.

 


@Barry Kelly wrote:

No, no change in 25.

You have to duplicate your profile (if you want to keep the original materials) and then change the building materials used for the fills or customise the edge materials on the fills.

 

It sounds like your complex profile is complex enough as it is, so you probably won't be wanting to add extra fills with modifiers that use different alternate materials.

 

Barry.


 

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