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Non-printable layers

gerald lock
Newcomer
I can't seem to find a topic about this, so here goes...

Currently, each layer has a lock/unlock and a visible/invisible toggle.

How hard would it be to add another toggle to make a layer printable/non-printable?

Every other 2D drafing app I've ever used has this function, and it's great!

Could you add it to the next build? or must we wait for the next version?
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Matthew Lohden
Newcomer
It would be handy to make visible layers non-printing, but since it would still presumably be governed by the layer combinations it wouldn't serve as the sure fire way to keep certain layers from ever printing. It also runs counter to the wysiwyg principle.
Matthew Lohden
Consultant, SF CA

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gerald lock
Newcomer
To provide a "constantly non-printing" layer, would surely be a simple as the current "constantly-visible & unlocked" [ArchiCAD Layer] - I've been told that AutoCAD has one (called DEFPOINTS I think)
...or one could simply adjust Layer Combinations setting to suit (both options would be good, giving max. flexibility)

As far as WYSIWYG principle goes, ("what you see is what you get" for readers of this thread not familiar with the acronym) it needn't be compromised - non-print layers could become either "ghosted" (but coloured separately from the ghost storey colour) or a pre-set colour. Currently, ghosted storeys don't print unless requested. This idea could behave in the same way.
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Michele
Newcomer
I loved the defpoints layer when we used autocad. We could put things on a layer that would be turned off and not print a white blob over everything. Ahhhh..... one of the good things about autocad.
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Erich
Newcomer
The nice thing about a non-printing layer is that you can use it to provide information to the user without worrying if it will show up on the eventual output. Other than that it is not really necessary to Archicad in my opinion. (12 years using AutoCad) Still it is a common cad tool and I was a little surprised it wasn't present when I made the switch to AC.
Erich

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Erika Epstein
Participant
Every time someone suggests the non-print layer, I can't help wondering how are you using this program that you feel you need one? What are you drawing that shouldn't be printing?

Need to leave notes for co-workers? use the mark-up tool or FILE>INFO>PROJECT NOTES
Erika
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Gustavo Mur
Newcomer
I strongly recommend DO NOT ADD the non-print layer function as Autocad Uses. I used Autocad for a lot of projects. It is a constant font of frustrating mistakes on documentations.

Archicad is a superior program with a lot more tools and much simpler ones.
We do not need such a thing. Please! As list is my point of view.
Albaisa+Doval Architects
Miami, Florida, USA
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Ex Minicad-Vector Works on Mac
Ex AutoCad 2000-2006 on PC
Archicad 9-11-12 on PC

kliment
Newcomer
I wish I never see a nonprinting layer option in AC!
According to me everything seen on the desktop should be printed! If not, it should not be on the desktop! Simple!

The old Autocad thinking has to be forgotten!
The Defpoins layer in Autocad is needed mostly for storing Points (the alternative of Hotspots), especially when using Blocks. Well, Hotspots are nonprintabe in AC!
Kliment Ivanov
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OpusMCK
Newcomer
I also found it surprising that Archicad did not have a
"non-printing" layer. The other Cad programs that I use have one.
It's not something I use everyday, but it's useful.
The others that I've talked with who have only used Archicad
didn't know it was possible but would love to have one.
Our feeling is that for Archicad to add the layer and those
who don't want it don't have to use it, but it won't ruin the
program to add it for those
who would like to have it.
Thank you.
AC10 MacIntel on an I-Mac, 3d Studio release 2009, AllPlan, Autocad, Photoshop, Flash, Vista 64, and so on. . .
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Architectural 3d modeling and simulation.

skywalker86
Newcomer
I agree with adding a printable/non-printable layer as this could be used for complex 3D models which would otherwise slow down your model/work space, and have the option to only display these models when printing. Just my 2 cents worth. Not sure if anyone has had this issue where a downloaded object is slowing down your workflow significantly? I am currently having this issue.

Da3dalus
Participant
Dead Topic.

I think this Wish has been superseded by the advent of Trace References, persistent Guidelines, Snap Guides, Graphic Overrides, and more On-Screen View Options than you can shake a Morph at.
Chuck Kottka
Orcutt Winslow
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ArchiCAD 23 (since 4.5)
Macbook Pro 15" Touchbar OSX 10.14.6 Core i7 2.9GHz/16GB RAM/Radeon Pro560 4GB

proto
Booster

...resurrecting this thread...

Another former acad switcher/beginning Archicad'er here that is wondering about non-print in Archicad...In acad, non-printing layers was a great way to set up drafting conventions to keep a sheet organized. I see, tho, that they are not supported.

 

What do people do to create nice clean drawings where the notes across details/elevations line up on the page and reference titles have a consistent relative positions.

I'm doing my first project, and I'm frustrated by the apparent looseness of placing views on sheets just eyeballing things...is there a dimensionally accurate process for these things?

 

Followup drafting convention question: When working in 2d for details & interior elevations, is it conventional wisdom to create individual views (1 per dtl, or 1 per int elev) or just draw whatever 2d views on a sheet layout as a single view (like all four sides (int elevs) of a given room)? Or even all the interior elevations on a sheet view?

Thanks for your patience with these very basic questions.

learning on mac v25 solo

@proto Chuck gave one response in the last post before yours - Trace Reference, Guidelines, etc.

 

But, of course, any layer that is not on is non-printing at print time, right? 🙂

So, you can certainly use layer combinations when you are looking at layouts if you really must have actual guidelines/etc or some type of template to snap to... but you can also use the hotspot tool to place snappable hotspots in a Master that are viewable in all layouts using that Master.  Hotspots never print.  Ditto guidelines as Chuck suggests.

 

Layer combinations for the layout (including the Master) have no impact on placed drawings.

 

"Never" draw anything related to the project when you are in layout mode.   For the details and interior elevations etc you want things to be 'live' and derived from the model as much as possible, so, yes, a placed view (which becomes a 'drawing') for each detail and elevations.

 

 

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hotspots - how do these get used? [i did look them up, so I understand what they are but do not understand this new strategy for documentation...maybe just an example, i'm guessing there are many ways to use them...]

 

"Never draw anything related to the project when you in layout mode."

OK, but how do people coordinate between details/elevations that end up sharing space on a layout?

ie notes lining up, avoiding linework overlapping, coordinating sizes/shapes of views that will share space on a sheet

 

i'm familiar w/ guidelines from Adobe products & those make sense

 

i understand how trace works, but not sure how trace applies to this issue of layout coordination

 

thanks for your assistance,

learning on mac v25 solo


@proto wrote:

I'm doing my first project, and I'm frustrated by the apparent looseness of placing views on sheets just eyeballing things...is there a dimensionally accurate process for these things?


If you go to the Master Layout Settings, check out the "Drawing Placement" panel, which has two options for the automatic placement of Drawings on Layouts. Here is the Help Center page discussing them:

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide/137577/#XREF_22630_Arranging_Multiple

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide/137981/#XREF_69281_Auto_Arrange_New

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide/137981/#XREF_13489_Align_and_assign

 

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Not sure this is really addressing the issue [aligning content between views, as opposed to just getting views to be organized on a layout], but I will read up on these & see what I am missing, thank you, laszlo

learning on mac v25 solo

For aligning content between two Views or a View and a Drawing placed on a Layout, the Trace Reference is the best tool.

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Laszlo Nagy, Lead Moderator, Community Admin
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Loving Archicad since 1995

Thanks, Laszlo, I will go back & review that tool more thoroughly.

learning on mac v25 solo

OK...Trace is a revelation!

That's what I needed...

learning on mac v25 solo

DGSketcher
Mentor

@proto For manual placement you can drop your layout views on the sheet and then you can either move/drag the views with the "viewport" corners or you can use points within the view as base and reference points.Make sure you use the correct Move option from the context menu, one moves the whole "viewport" the other option repositions the view within the "viewport"

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