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Param-O Object Tool and Editor

gdford
Booster
After spending all day messing with the new ParamO object tool I have a few wishes....
I know this tool is under development..... I am not complaining. I see major value for this tool... hopefully building tables and chairs with the ParamO object tool will be the low hanging fruit... The potential could be amazing.
○ Param-O Objects Info Box should have the Custom Settings Parameters available in the info box
○ Right clicking on a Param-O Object should offer to edit the Param-O object in the selections
○ In the Param-O Object editor the nodes at the ends of connection should tell me where the connection is coming from. I should be able to see the sending Parameter Name and the Variable Name
○ It would be helpful to be able to assign line color and types to the Param-O node connection lines
○ In Object Selection Settings the Custom Settings should have ability to show the parameter name as well as the variable name.
○ It would be nice to be able to view all of the Parameters of the construction in a schedule type list where the Parameter Names, Variable Names, Expressions, and Values could be viewed and hopefully edited.
○ The Parameter for GDL Objects should have the ability to have access to all of the GDL object's parameters at the same time, not just be limited to a few.
○ In the Param-O Object editor when dragging a connection the editing window should scroll when you drag a connection to the edge of the window…. This is really needed!!
○ It would be very nice to be able to have Beam and Column objects available as Parameter Objects and be able to assign complex profiles as parameter options
○ Really Need to be able to access Param-O Objects parameters from schedules and autotext - this is important!!
○ Really need to be able to access an objects Property Numaric Values in the Param-O Object parameter expressions.
It would be good to be able to associate Param-O objects with other objects and then have access to the associated objects parameters…. For example build a Param-O object to build tile on the inside face of a wall from wall inside corner to wall inside corner….. Or build a Param-O object to associate with a Zone and automatically layout out all of the restroom fixtures based on a popup window for user selected/entered choices.
Good job!!!
Please keep making steady improvements.
This tool could be very impressive.
Smart Objects for Automation!!!!!
Gary Ford
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Archicad 12-25
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gdford
Booster
I noticed after I posted that it is already possible to extrude shapes.
Well done Graphisoft!
Gary Ford
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Archicad 12-25
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Hi Gary,

Thanks for the long list of suggestions.
I will forward it to the Param-O developers.
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Braza
Newcomer
Thanks Laszlo!
And while you are here... It would be nice to schedule Objects used inside the Param-o object. I just saw a video that creates a kitchen assembly of regular Archicad kitchen objects. It would be really nice to be able to schedule them.
And thank you very much Viktor Kovacs and Agnes Gaschitz! This is a very impressive tool and it seems we are just scratching its surface potential.
Cheers,
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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gdford
Booster
I agree.
This has always been the problem with using the mult-function restroom library parts. We need to be able to schedule any GDL Part that is used inside Param-O.
Gary Ford
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gdford
Booster
Actually that is not such a long list of suggestions....
I log all of my suggestions in my data base.... but rarely send them forward......
Gary Ford
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Just my opinion: that is a tricky one because that would require a big development effort in GDL itself: the ability to interact with sub-elements of a Library part. Or we can call them nested library parts or macro library parts, whatever the name, it would be great to be able to select/edit/label/schedule them individually.
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vdentello
Contributor
I'm not sure if get what Laszlo Is saying, but, creating a possibility of exporting GDL "assemblies" into single elements would be a great thing.
Nesting is the dream, I always loved the way that Cinema 4D worked with Null Objects in which you could throw loose elements to form a "package".
Makes a lot of sense when exporting to IFC, i never use the Accessible Sanitary Object because i usually need the bars separated from the toilet itself.
On the description of that one you can't merge both toilet and bar specification, otherwise, the toilet will not merge with similar toilets around the project?
Well, +1 on that i believe.
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Yes, it would be great.
What I am saying is that it is not a small development task as far as I can judge.
Of course, it is not impossible either, since several element types already exist in Archicad that are hierarchical element types that have sub-elements that can be individually selected, edited, labeled, scheduled. Examples are Curtain Wall, Stair, Railing, Column, Beam. So yes, why not GDL-based element types as well?
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Barry Kelly
Moderator
LaszloNagy wrote:
Examples are Curtain Wall, Stair, Railing, Column, Beam. So yes, why not GDL-based element types as well?

I guess the difference is curtain walls, stairs, railings, columns and beams are all 'assemblies' of multiple objects/elements, so they are still individual pieces - hence can be scheduled.
GDL (and Param-o) is a bit different as all the objects/elements are amalgamated in one script forming essentially one big object.


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hi,
nested object would be extremly useful for a lot of design tasks, but I can imagine that the development would take a lot of resources as LaszloNagy mentioned

I wonder if it would be possible to enhance the "grouping" feature in that direction with much less effort. Giving a group a name/ ID (and an insert point) so it can be scheduled with its parts, would do a lot what "nested objects" would be used for (at least in our context). When you can save them also as favorite we would be already more then happy.

Is that approach too far fetched?

BR, Florian
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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi Gary,

Thank you for the enthusiasm with PARAM-O!

This is a big list of of wishes! The wishes regarding UI/UX suggestions were entered as entry #12824 in our Wish List Database. The rest was registered separately as #12881, #12882, #12883, #12884 and #12885. Hopefully, we will be able to implement them in the near future!

Thank you once again, and have a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

gdford
Booster
As ventello said - current part assemblies like the Toilet ADA 23 are great for fast modeling, but then they are worthless for scheduling and associative labeling which is actually the point of BIM. For me parts like ADA 23 are nothing but a sales pitch.... but not particularly useful except for space planning purposes which never end up as construction docs.
So .... what we are talking about here is that it would be really nice is part of the direction for the Param-O tool would be to allow it to group existing parts together, but when published as a new part the subparts still have the ability to behave in schedules and associative labeling as if they were individual parts in the model .... and it would be nice if they could also schedule as sub-assemblies parts.
Gary Ford
Self Employed - Modeling, Estimating, Construction
Archicad 12-25
Win 10 - ASUSTeK Zephyrus M GU502GV - 64 bit
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60 GHz
16.0 GB ram

GOBA
Newcomer
Two very simple wishes, regarding PARAM-O:
- To be able to maximise the PARAM-O window.
- Learning videos, made in Graphisoft.
ArchiCAD user since November 2109
AC24, Windows 10

GOBA
Newcomer
I would also like to see the XYZ axes in the editor (in the 3D), and also, I would like to highlight the elements: if I select a box of a shape, to highlight the element in the 3D, and vice versa.

I don’t know If this is already possible.
ArchiCAD user since November 2109
AC24, Windows 10

Marc H
Booster

Just starting out with PARAMO.  Great tool. Below are a few additional ‘wishes’:

> Imperial units option in WE (or a setting or function within the editor).

> Greater decimal places to the right in values and steps.  Small objects are showing a lot of “0.0” values in editor mode.

> More object view rotation capability in the preview pane.  I am finding it hard to see small shapes under a larger shape when the larger shape is close to ‘ground’.  (Setting surfaces in ‘glass’ helps, but I need to see my shapes are meeting together correctly underneath.)

> Zoom value box for node editor window.  

>  Hotspot tool within the editor (if not already provided somewhere in the editor).

> Greater Help documentation; maybe with examples of application for the non-intuitive nodes.

 

Also, if a goal is to be able to create object arrays (as shown in one of the GS videos), it would great to be able to choose varying layer values for the associated/referenced objects. 

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