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Renovation Filters and Element Status

Laura Yanoviak
Booster
ALL elements should have a Renovation Status setting -- including Markers. Otherwise, EXST/DEMO Layers and Layer Combinations are still necessary to turn Markers of new construction off in existing/demolition Views.

In addition, ALL elements should have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- for instance, it's typically undesirable to have annotation pens and linetypes overridden with those of construction elements. Because annotation can consist of objects, dimensions, and other 2D elements, this setting should be available to ALL elements.
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Dennis Lee
Contributor
Since AC is a BIM solution, the renovation features shouldn't stop at the model elements, right? We have to carry the idea across to the documentation to really make full use of this new feature. I vote ESSENTIAL.

I think Laura's idea to have the "Ignore.." setting is really a good idea, since this won't have to make a new linetype class for the leader and dimension lines to differentiate them from the construction "symbol" line type.
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Laura Yanoviak
Booster
Also see this post.
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F_ Beister
Newcomer
For the renovation market is essential, that composite elements get this tag for each layer. The logical consequence is that objects can request the reno state of associated elements.

vfrontiers
Contributor
Is it just me, or does the RENOVATION status NOT get picked up with EYEDROPPER or FAVORITES?

I must be doing something wrong... Sure the status would get FAVORITIZED...

It is not a selectable trait to pass over in the Favorites Preferences either...
Duane
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vfrontiers wrote:
Is it just me, or does the RENOVATION status NOT get picked up with EYEDROPPER or FAVORITES?
With the Eyedropper, you are correct.

David
David Maudlin / Architect
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vfrontiers
Contributor
David wrote:

With the Eyedropper, you are correct.

David
Does that mean you got it to work with FAVORITES... I got the same result with Favorites.. Set up a favorite that has DEMO status... change Reno Status to NEW and double click the Favorite and it does not change back to demo..
Duane
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vfrontiers wrote:
Does that mean you got it to work with FAVORITES...
I have not used Favorites, so I am not saying anything about them.

David
David Maudlin / Architect
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Yes, this seems to be a problem because other settings in the Tags and Categories panel of elements are transferred with Favorites. Structural Function, Position and Element Classification all get transferred.
This looks to me like a bug so I will report it to GS.
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vfrontiers
Contributor
thanks Laszlo...


It occurred to me also that the RENOVATION filter is NOT "gender specific"!... So if I have a bunch of lines, some text, some labels, a wall and objects... they can all get a SHOT OF NEW from the Renovation palette with one click of the button.
Duane
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Is that a good thing or bad thing for you?
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Laszlo Nagy, Lead Moderator, Community Admin
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vfrontiers
Contributor
laszlonagy wrote:
Is that a good thing or bad thing for you?
It's a great thing as long as it NOT the thing that is preventing it from being Favoritized or Eyedroppable.
Duane
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
I see.
Let us hope this Favorite thing is a programming oversight.
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Laszlo Nagy, Lead Moderator, Community Admin
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Erika Epstein
Contributor
This was requested during beta.
Erika
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Laura Yanoviak
Booster
I'm sure it was 😉
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Da3dalus
Contributor
I hope someone is still looking into this. The Renovation Filter (affectionately, the ReFO) has some problems that take so much work-around, it's nearly a deal-breaker. These are issues that could be fixed with minor switches in a Hotfix.

Mainly for us, the problem is in annotation. How do I put SOLID, BLACK labels or keynotes on a Demolition Plan (required for every remodel and addition)? If they are on the Demo filter, they will become dashed, like all of the construction elements. I can find no way to override this. So, I create an A-DEMO-ANNO layer, with a Demo Plan layer combination, like we used to do, AND I still have to switch it to the Existing filter to get rid of the dash, and pin it to the Demo Plan RFO... but now it's GRAY, per the Existing overrides! OK, so I have to turn off the Existing override, and manually turn all existing elements Gray... just so the Demo annotations turn out solid black!

And now I notice that the Detail markers are showing up on the Demo Plan! Not OK! So I need to create another layer. And we're back in the pre-ReFO workflow!

This process has completely negated the usefulness of the ReFO!!!

Simply allowing each element to IGNORE OVERRIDES would be BRILLIANT!! Alternately, adding more options to the Renovation Filter settings, such as not overriding annotation elements (dimensions, labels, section markers, etc.), would do the trick. Please, something, QUICK!

Then, in the future, I'd like to see more functionality, such as:
- The ability to make composite layers, or individual object components, a different status;
- More renovation status types, preferably custom (like Future, Phase 1, Phase 2, Completed, None);
- Different overrides for each Renovation Filter (Demo items are dashed on the Demo Plan, but Gray in the Existing Plan);
- Make ReFO status pick up with Favorites and the eyedropper/syringe.
Chuck Kottka
Orcutt Winslow
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Stress Co_
Expert
BUMP.
Why wouldn't you vote essential?
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Da3dalus
Contributor
As of ArchiCAD 17, this issue is essentially resolved. In each RenFO, you can specify NOT to override appearance for Dimensions/Texts/Labels as well as Drafting Fills/Lines. These check boxes are found in the RenFO dialog under Additional Filter Options For > Annotation Elements. It's not available as a per-element setting, but at least it effectively fixes the problem. The other wishlist items, such as phasing and composite display are still valid, but not nearly as critical. Thanks Graphisoft!
Chuck Kottka
Orcutt Winslow
Phoenix, Arizona, USA

ArchiCAD 25 (since 4.5)
Macbook Pro 15" Touchbar OSX 10.15 Core i7 2.9GHz/16GB RAM/Radeon Pro560 4GB

Anonymous
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Da3dalus wrote:
I hope someone is still looking into this. The Renovation Filter (affectionately, the ReFO) has some problems that take so much work-around, it's nearly a deal-breaker. These are issues that could be fixed with minor switches in a Hotfix.

Mainly for us, the problem is in annotation. How do I put SOLID, BLACK labels or keynotes on a Demolition Plan (required for every remodel and addition)? If they are on the Demo filter, they will become dashed, like all of the construction elements. I can find no way to override this....
Chuck

A solution to your previous post (which I have just re-read) is to use the "Show on current Renovation Filter only/Show on all relevant Filters" button, (or SOCRFO/SOARF for short) on the Renovation palette. As per my image below, when the button is selected (pinned) the text shows on the Existing/Demo filter ONLY, but not on the Proposed filter which has the same layer combo.

Stress Co_
Expert
I confess I hadn't noticed.
Thanks for the reply Chuck & s2art.
I'm off to RTFM.
Marc Corney, Architect

Red Canoe Architecture, P. A.



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