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Suspend groups in "stages"

Stuart Atkinson
Participant
I would like the ability to use the suspend group command in “stages”.

Ie
Draw some stumps (columns) – group.
Draw some bearers (beams) – group
Draw some joist (more beams) – group.
Now group all three groups together.

At the moment the suspend group command suspends all groups.
I would like a “suspend main group” command which would allow me to suspend the whole group but still allow me to select my previously grouped items as a group.
There would then be another option to suspend those items still grouped.

ArchiCAD has the capability to do this, as it remembers each group, and when you un-group things it breaks things down into whatever groups were existing.

Edit: Thought of a better way of describing it. Suspend groups in levels. Options then being suspend first level. Suspend second level etc.... until all levels of groups have been suspended. (Still with a suspend all groups command of course).
Cheers
Stuart
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Erika Epstein
Booster
You can do this already by keeping grouping enabled and ungroup.
Erika
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Stuart Atkinson
Participant
No you can't, as they are then un-grouped, and to group the whole lot back together you have to select all the other groups/items to regroup them all again.
If you can suspend groups in levels you no longer need to un-group/regroup them.

Link
Expert
Ungrouping works differently depending on whether groups are enabled or disabled. But you still can't achive exactly what you want, so I understand you point.

AFAICS, the closest you can get is to group them in groups as you listed, then group them all together (nested groups). Then with groups enabled, you'd be able ungroup them, reducing them back to their original groups. From there you can work with them as groups, or further ungroup each group to work with them independently.

Then just regroup as required. So not a suspend group as you requested, but still gets the job done.

Cheers,
Link.

BTW. You still have the funniest avatar here IMO!

Anonymous
Not applicable
It should be like in Sketchup, doubleclick on a group to edit that group, doubleclick on a undergroup to edit that and so on, instead of disable groups.

And then we also want to create things in a group when we have a group in editmode.

We also want to the ability to add things to a group without create a new headgroup ofcause! This could be done with have a group in edit mode, rightclick - choose "add element to group" - select elements that you want to add and then choose "done" or something like that.

And then maybe we could make mirrors of that group in our model, so if we update a group, all the mirror groups would be updated to. But for that have I already make a similiar poll http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24857

Stuart Atkinson
Participant
My point is they can implement it relatively easily.
You can do as many nested groups/individual items as you like and as long as you have groups enabled ArchiCAD will un-group them in the reverse order, so it already remembers what, when and how the groups were formed.
I just want to be able to utilize that.

Anonymous
Not applicable
You can do exactly what you want now! When you make new groups you must have groups enabled. Thus AC keeps group hierarchy. When you ungroup with groups enabled you have this hierarchy working backwards.

I do not like the idea of double clicking, because this way I don't have good control on what I do.

I think groups work very well now! Complaints usually come from people, who don't know all the tricks with working with groups.

Anonymous
Not applicable
"kliment" wrote:

I do not like the idea of double clicking, because this way I don't have good control on what I do.


True, but me personally would like something similiar where I could edit a group by itself. A combination of hotlinked modules and groups.

Anonymous
Not applicable
TurboGlider wrote:
It should be like in Sketchup, doubleclick on a group to edit that group, doubleclick on a undergroup to edit that and so on, instead of disable groups.
Oh, that would be so good. I've posted before about forgetting to switch off 'suspend groups' and ending up with copies of groups that have fallen apart.

I guess it depends on how you use groups. Everyone in our office seems to have different ideas about this - but I'm always reluctant to ungroup a group that someone else has made (for their own good reasons). But then if you suspend groups, all the nested groups fall apart!

Maybe modules would be the answer (if we had 'in place' editing!)

Keith
Archicad Ver 12 on Mac OSX 10.4.8

vistasp
Expert
Can't it just be a simple group/ungroup of a selection (if there is a selection) instead of always being global? Grouping in AC has always confused the heck out of me.
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Anonymous
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Keith wrote:
....Maybe modules would be the answer (if we had 'in place' editing!)
I think if modules and groups were combined to some extent, with in-place editing, it could become very powerful. You could have the choice to set them up as either 'component' objects / assemblies, or one-off groups on-the-fly.

Stuart Atkinson
Participant
kliment wrote:
You can do exactly what you want now! When you make new groups you must have groups enabled. Thus AC keeps group hierarchy. When you ungroup with groups enabled you have this hierarchy working backwards.

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I think groups work very well now! Complaints usually come from people, who don't know all the tricks with working with groups.
You miss the point.
I all ready know how to use groups. I all ready know they keep their hierarchy when ungrouping with groups enabled.
BUT, at the moment when you suspend groups it suspends ALL groups.
What i "wished" for is the suspend groups to work in the reverse order the hierarchy is made.

Which i know will be handy to all that use groups.

Erika Epstein
Booster
Stuart wrote:
You miss the point.
We don't miss the point. We happen to disagree with you and the importance of your wish.
Erika
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Erika Epstein
Booster
Peter wrote:
Keith wrote:
....Maybe modules would be the answer (if we had 'in place' editing!)
I think if modules and groups were combined to some extent, with in-place editing, it could become very powerful. You could have the choice to set them up as either 'component' objects / assemblies, or one-off groups on-the-fly.
Peter,
I like your idea of being able to more easily modify modules; perhaps you could expand on this in a separate wish.
Erika
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Barry Kelly
Moderator
Erika wrote:
Stuart wrote:
You miss the point.
We don't miss the point. We happen to disagree with you and the importance of your wish.
Kliment did and looking at your earlier post I think you don't quite realise what Stuart wants either.

Ungrouping a master group is fine as it leaves all the subgroups which can be moved or manipulated as needed (so long as gouping is enabled).
But what Stuart wants is the ability to turn the master group back on.
Currently this can't be done whereas you and Kliment both seem to think it can - you have to select all of the subgroups and re-group them manually.

That's not hard to do unless there are a lot of them and they are scattered all around the plan or there were some individual objects included in the master group.

I'll be voting "Important" as I don't think it is essential, but I can definitely see what Stuart is after and that it is important to him.

Barry.

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Erika Epstein
Booster
I do understand. For all that I am a devotee of the grouping feature, I haven't found a need for this. When I want to do what you describe, I can suspend groups, select the elements of the one or more groups that I want to remove or delete and ungroup. When grouping is enabled, the nested grouping remains intact.

It may just be that I don't have to do this that much. Murphy's law, that will be how I will spend the next 3 days.

I also use a lot of modules and it is easy to do this kind of editing there as although I agree with Peter that this aspect of modules could use improvement.

I am not against the wish, just the way I have used the program, it's not a priority. I'm not ruling out that should it be implemented. who knows, I might find it indispensable.
Erika
Architect, Consultant
MacBook Pro Retina, 15-inch Yosemite 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
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AC5-18
Onuma System

"Implementing Successful Building Information Modeling"

Stuart Atkinson
Participant
Erika wrote:
I do understand. For all that I am a devotee of the grouping feature, I haven't found a need for this. When I want to do what you describe, I can suspend groups, select the elements of the one or more groups that I want to remove or delete and ungroup. When grouping is enabled, the nested grouping remains intact.
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To pick you up on this point, what if you have to individually pick 20 items that you have previously grouped, but now can't as they are part of a master group (and you have suspended the groups), and you dont want to ungroup that master group as you'll end up with 100 other individual items that you will have to select, one at a time, to re-group them back into the master group?.
This example is a perhaps little extreme, but you get my point.

I based the wish on the fact that ArchiCAD already remembers the hierarchy of the groups and it would certainly make my drafting life easier if i could better utilise this.
I figured others may also like the idea. If you don't that is fine and you can cast your vote accordingly.

And to those that mentioned modules, i think that is a separate subject.

Barry Kelly
Moderator
Erika wrote:
I do understand. For all that I am a devotee of the grouping feature, I haven't found a need for this. When I want to do what you describe, I can suspend groups, select the elements of the one or more groups that I want to remove or delete and ungroup. When grouping is enabled, the nested grouping remains intact.
That's fine if you want to move or delete individual elements, but what if you want to do that to the whole of one of the sub-groups? - could be dozens of individual elements.
Suspending knocks everything back to individual elements and ungrouping destroys the group completely.
So at the moment Stuart can't win.

Of course you can always save a selection set (in Find & Select palette) so as well as selecting it to group you can save that selection so it can be re-selected later.
Erika wrote:
It may just be that I don't have to do this that much. Murphy's law, that will be how I will spend the next 3 days. .

Erika wrote:
I am not against the wish, just the way I have used the program, it's not a priority. I'm not ruling out that should it be implemented. who knows, I might find it indispensable.
I think it is one of these "It would be nice" wishes but is certainly not essential for me at least.
On the surface it seems to make sense that it would be easy to implement but who knows.
I rarely use groups (except those that are already auto-grouped) and even less rarely have sub-goups in groups.
But maybe if it worked I would use it more.

Barry.

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