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Text label tool with a proper leader

Anonymous
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Fix the independent label tool for text. Allow the leader line to align with the MIDDLE of the first line of text that spans over multiple lines. Currently it jumps to the top of the text box, which is above the text, or the middle of the text box, which can be confusing.
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Anonymous
Not applicable
My current solution is to place <enter> characters at the beginning of the text block until the top line lines up with the leader tail.

Anonymous
Not applicable
. . . and allow repositioning of the text end node of the arrow leadr to be adjusted in relation to the text without having to reposition the entire text block in the process.

James Murray
Expert
Essential, naturally. So essential that it's OK to wish for twice . I think repeating an essential wish every 28 months is probably allowed. Seriously, very frustrating, and something that should have been caught when the tool was designed.
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David Pacifico
Newcomer
I agree.
A bit off topic, but have I miss the discussion about not being able to put text on the left side of a text label without first putting it on the right and mirroring it?
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Anonymous
Not applicable
How many times can I vote essential?

Link
Advocate
Essential indeed - such a poor oversight.

Jay said:
My current solution is to place <enter> characters at the beginning of the text block until the top line lines up with the leader tail.
That's a pretty good workaround though!

David said:
A bit off topic, but have I miss the discussion about not being able to put text on the left side of a text label without first putting it on the right and mirroring it?
Sounds like you have 'Fix Angle' checked. There was a bug in 9 where this kept checking itself on. Thankfully it's been fixed in 10!

Cheers,
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David Pacifico
Newcomer
Link wrote:

Sounds like you have 'Fix Angle' checked. There was a bug in 9 where this kept checking itself on. Thankfully it's been fixed in 10!
That was it. Thanks Link.
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Jere
Enthusiast
Where's the "this is an embarrassingly necessary fix" option??

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Paul King
Advocate
Every node should be a stretchy node, for WYSIWYG text formatting. Adjusting location of one node should not require user to adjust all other nodes to compensate just to maintain original positions

Leader line tail should stretch automatically if text column resized.

Large gaps between end character of of first row of text and leader line tail starting to right of text should automatically close up to a consistent offset from last character.

If arrow direction is flipped, text should stay put - not require reformatting
If text is moved or stretched, arrow head on leader should stay put.

Multi jointed & non horizontal tails to leader lines should be possible for those tricky situations

Leader lines should have an editing mode akin to detail marker placement mode where leader line intelligently links desired start point and end point, based on formatting rules - eg. tail of leader always 5mm long and starts 3mm from end of text, or all joints in leader line must be right angles or 45 degrees, or multiples of 30 degrees etc...
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Da3dalus
Contributor
Alas, AutoCAD 2008 has this one beat. AutoCAD's new Multileader object does everything that Labels should. The leader can start at the first or last line of text, it can contain multiple leaders, it has a wide range of editable marker shapes (or none) and it can be "scheduled" (as much as AutoCAD can extract data). They got us on this one (of course, it took them until now to make annotations self-scaling, and it works pretty badly). The Label tool needs an overhaul, but AT LEAST make it look right!

By the way, does anyone actually use the label tool with borders turned on? I would think that would be confusing on drawings.
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Jere
Enthusiast
Any idea if this is going to be fixed soon?

I like the idea of multiple leaders. I'm sure Revit can do this.

Personally, i like the idea of abolishing the separation between the text tool and the label tool. Text can simply be a label without a leader line. There should be the option to turn the leader line on or off, add multiple leader lines, etc.

Still....as always, essential.
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vfrontiers
Contributor
Multiple Leaders including multiple leaders on BOTH SIDES of TEXT!
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Anonymous
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4 years since the first wish was posted, 77% of voters deem this essential, and what seems like a minimal amount of work on Graphisofts end for something that is used regularly. How I wish that the small things had just a little priority in Graphisofts eyes.

Da3dalus
Contributor
I just figured I'd reiterate this one to keep the wishlist alive... FIX THE LEADER TOOL. I'm exploding a bunch right now in order to make them look OK. I can't blame my drafter, he thought he should use the label tool to make labels.
Chuck Kottka
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vfrontiers
Contributor
Mike wrote:
4 years since the first wish was posted, 77% of voters deem this essential, and what seems like a minimal amount of work on Graphisofts end for something that is used regularly. How I wish that the small things had just a little priority in Graphisofts eyes.
I think we're right on schedule for an ArchiCAD 34 release!
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Anonymous
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Da3dalus wrote:
...he thought he should use the label tool to make labels.
Silly drafter. Doesn't everyone know the chair tool is for labels?

Of course there is more to fix in the label tool than just the leader.

Paul King
Advocate
It still astounds me that this has not been fixed after such a long time - as things stand, ArchiCAD handicaps just about every user who takes any pride in graphic appearance of labels
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Anonymous
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Firstly I'm astounded that someone 3 years ago was astounded. Then if you look down further someone is exposing that the OP has opened this thread in 2007 and now its 2014...

I was liking the feature that a Label could be saved as a favorite with default text to take care of common labels/text notes we use all the time on drawings. When I tried to do the same with text. This default function is not available. Either the following could be done to essentially and significantly speed up drafting tasks for Archicad Users.

1.Text has a default text like Label has default text
2.Labels have a switch to turn off leaders

Apparently we need a new renderer in ArchiCAD 18. This appears to be more important to Graphisoft than users getting tools that have more functionality that will give users the time to complete tasks to use the Rendering engine. I note this post has been going for quite some time. The essential nature of quick drafting tasks seems to be lost to the developer of this software. Or are they saving this for BIM features in the future "drop a column your text is automatic".

We are being drip feed non-essential changes that are "nice" to have without consideration to Graphisoft considering the speed of common documentation tasks that they could start to overhaul and compete with Revit on.

Barry Kelly
Moderator
strom wrote:
Or are they saving this for BIM features in the future "drop a column your text is automatic".
You can do that now - with any element.
Make sure the label style you want is associated to the element type in the label tool settings.
Then in the element settings make sure you tick the option to "Label Elements" and then when you place that element the label will automatically appear.

Rather than saving default text favourites for the content of the text (I do this for style, size, layer, etc., though) I either have a hole bunch of notes off to the side in my template that I can drag, drop and edit as needed or I have objects saved - some as standard notes and some as editable notes.

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