different sectional fills for walls

[__archiben]

firstly - i'm sure that this has been mentioned somewhere in the forum before, but i couldn't find it. i am raising it again because of its importance to me in producing the kind of production information that i currently have to turn out.

so here goes (again):

there has to be the ability to define a different fill for a wall in section from that in plan. we work a lot with masonry construction and until the walls we create can show block coursing in section we will continue to have to redraw sections when we come to produce 1:50/1:20, etc production information.

i'm not entirely sure how this would be implemented - i guess that logically this would be a separate field in the tool settings dialogue, although consideration would have to be given to composites . . . you would not want to define two different composites for the same wall, rather to display a context-aware fill for the same composite.

make sense? useful?
hope so . . .

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[Anonymous]

In addition to the fill changing, you would also need control of the origin in the section as you have on the 3d hatching. This would give you control to use the block hatching and set a coursing with it.

Just wanted to add a little more to think about.

[Anonymous]

There is a lot of material in this topic.

One part of the solution could be some form of scale sensitivity in the composites. I fake this right now by making all parts of the cavity wall and the entirety of roofs and slabs the same. This way they look good at small scales and clean up to a nice outline in 3D. I have to add fills at the larger scales of plan and section details but this seems like a reasonable trade off for now.

It would definitely be nice to have the composites automatically do what we want in each view, but I think this will be a complex development, piece by piece.

One piece that would be really nice would be for the outline pens to clean up in section as they do in plan. Just because fills of connected elements are different in section doesn't mean I want them separated by a heavy black line.

[Petros Ioannou]

Another case in which it would be helpful to have different fills as an option is the one when you have to draw for example a low parapet with empty fill on plan (not sectioned) and a different wall fill on a section drawing.

[__archiben]

Petros wrote:
Another case in which it would be helpful to have different fills as an option is the one when you have to draw for example a low parapet with empty fill on plan (not sectioned) and a different wall fill on a section drawing.

petros

this is where matthew's 'new working environment' with cut-plan windows resolves these kinds of high and low level tricky plan elements!

http://www.graphisoft.com/community/archicad-talk/viewtopic.php?t=864

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[Petros Ioannou]

Already voted!

[Aladar Kish]

~/archiben wrote:
...there has to be the ability to define a different fill for a wall in section from that in plan...

~/archiben

I agree whole heartedly

[Stephen Dolbee]

~/archiben wrote:
there has to be the ability to define a different fill for a wall in section from that in plan.
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Absolutely!

[Anonymous]

As well as different line types from plan to section. I created a dashed wall for a plan view to represent a wall above, but when cutting a section the wall still shows dashed. Before I would not worry about this as it is easily fixed by unlinking the section, but now I'm trying to use more linked sections. It would seem that walls and probably other tools need to have separate plan and section line types, fills, line weights etc.

[Geoff Briggs]

~/archiben wrote:
firstly - i'm sure that this has been mentioned somewhere in the forum before, but i couldn't find it.

http://www.graphisoft.com/community/archicad-talk/viewtopic.php?t=205&highlight=&sid=d1cfea58706fd56...

[__archiben]

knew that it must have been here somewhere geoff! thanks!

no harm in bring it to the fore again though, eh?



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[Geoff Briggs]

~/archiben wrote:
no harm in bring it to the fore again though, eh?

No harm at all. Like fixing up text handling, the urgency of improvements to walls and composites needs to be reiterated frequently. The ongoing discussion about vertical composites is a timely parallel. As evidenced by my referenced post I feel that many of these issues would be helped along immensely by taking a comprehensive review of all the major tools and providing a consistent set of features: distinct plan and section attributes, show on multiple stories, elevation pen, fills in plan, etc. All of these features exist in one tool or another but are not universally implemented. Thus these wishes come up over and over. Instead of enhancing one tool at a time I'd love to see GS approach this holistically. A great benefit newbies and power users alike.

[cremsberg]

Yes, most urgent - for those seeking ultimate efficiency and true BIM - control for a different fill in plan and section for all 3D elements!!! Right now I sure could use it for walls. While GS is at it, control for line types - different in plan & section.

[Rob]

cremsberg,

mate what are you talking about? your signature shows AC12...
you have brought up two discussions from 4 years ago! I think we have already moved a significant way from that... what about cover fills for slabs/roofs/meshes and floor cutting plane + wall visibility?

[Anonymous]

Rob,

It was my suggestion to post in the old wishes in this thread -

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=133064

This wish hasn't been granted yet, so as far as I can tell, this is as good a place as any to express their desire for the feature.

Anyway, what do coverfills have to do with anything? This is to do with having a different plan fill to sectional fill for walls.

[cremsberg]

Hi Rob -

I can't see how "cover fills for slabs/roofs/meshes and floor cutting plane + wall visibility" will answer my need, though I have given it an honest try. Aren't cover fills for when you are outside of an element and looking at the surface of it? I need to control the section cut fill as different from the floor plan cut fill of a wall. Please help me out if I am missing something. I am not familiar with "wall visibility". Where is that controlled? I cannot find in Help.

I also need the control of section & wall fills to be element-specific, not for the entire section cut or floor plan.

I am also following similar threads here:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=133410#133410
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=133064

[Laura Yanoviak]

cremsberg wrote:
I also need the control of section & wall fills to be element-specific, not for the entire section cut or floor plan.

A specific example would be helpful.

[cremsberg]

Laura -
Here is a floor plan and a section, showing the same exterior wall and how I would LIKE things to work in 3D, though I had to trace over walls in section with 2D fill to get the desired fill pattern. Note that desired fill pattern for framed walls in section is not necessarily the same as for concrete walls, slabs, roofs, etc, so I don't want to globally control the entire section for a different fill.

[Laura Yanoviak]

I guess where I can relate to this is where you have batt insulation within the stud space -- usually this is not indicated in plan, but is desirable in section. In sections, we use a batt insulation object with a background fill to mask any poche in within the stud space. In your examples, I don't see why your walls can't be represented the same in plan as they are in section.

[__archiben]

Laura wrote:
I don't see why your walls can't be represented the same in plan as they are in section.

for most applications it's fine. where i've often found myself wanting different fills is in masonry construction - bricks and blocks. it's actually more of a 'level of detail' issue i guess - a lot of our buildings are small enough that we draw at a large(?) scale.

i'm currently using cadimage's rapid detail elements to put block/brick coursing over the wall element's fill - much like the 2D insulation element in the cavities - but it would be nice to be able to configure some kind of 'intelligent fill'. imagine the possibilities . . . ?

cheers
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