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Creating Hotlinks...right in the same TW file?

rob2218
Newcomer
ok, so I've started this new office.
They are gearing up with Archicad and have "some" users who know there way round the program.

But...I've run across some initial issues:
1. they have a tendancy to "hotlink" pieces of the same apartment unit into other floors? is this a common practice? it's very strange for me to hotlink "something" that is already in the TW file itself.
2. grouping- they have a tendacy to "group" similar units (which are those hotlinks by the way) all over the entire time work file..makes for very confusing organization.
3. they create "story levels" below the last "grade/or ground" story level" and use those as hotlinks?...again..I just find that a peculiar way of organizing a TW file.
4. the MOD's are ALSO coming from INSIDE the same TW file...WTF?

So, with that/this said....folks...have any of you ever run across this type of file organization setup?? Please, enlighten me if you have.
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
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rob2218
Newcomer
SO...HERE'S A 'DIAGRAMATIC SECTION' IF YOU WILL OF WHAT I'M TALKIN' BOUT....very very odd.
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
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Matthew Lohden
Newcomer
It sounds a little quirky but not necessarily unreasonable. It depends on the project. I've done a number of multifamily where the unit plans/modules are published from one file and linked to multiple floors of one or more building model files. Incorporating them into the same model could work fine but would not be my preference.

1. Repeatedly linked or just copied around amounts to the same thing. ArchiCAD just makes more instances of the same linked module. Once placed it seems that making copies will generally be easier but it's not a big deal either way. I have "Place Module" as a hot key so sometimes it's easier to pick form a list than go looking for the one I want to copy.

2. I don't get the point of grouping the unit modules. It does seem a bit clumsy.

3 & 4. So the source of the modules is on "subterranean" stories? (Made in the factories of the mole people perhaps.) As I said, I can see how it could work and may be in some way more convenient to have them in the same file, but I prefer to keep them separate.

BTW: your screen shot is too low res for me to make out much though I get the gist based on your descriptions.
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rob2218
Newcomer
thanks Matthew.....love the "mole people" comment.

Yes...I too am used to having "MOD" files OUT of the main TW file...but what'evs sir.
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
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Da3dalus
Participant
I know that this is an old comment, but I can shed some light on the reason for the subterranean unit hotlinks questions.

Stories are the only place that ArchiCAD can keep 3D elements. We also don't have a "component" function to copy linked groups like SketchUp has. So, in order to have identical rooms that you can edit, they have to be on a story of a PLN or MOD. Many people would refer to an external file, which we've done before, but…

If you reference external hotlinks, and someone changes an attribute, be it material, surface, file, etc., it will NOT change in the other file, and it will show up wrong in the master/host. This type of thing is typically done with hospitality, hospitals, multifamily residential, and senior living projects, which are heavy on interior design, furniture, etc. So we are constantly changing colors, patterns, and other attributes, which causes a huge mess when the drawings don't update correctly (and potential lawsuits).

Synchronizing hotlink attributes has taught us to go underground and keep everything i the same file, even if it looks silly. Beware!
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adambeazley
Newcomer
Can you elaborate a little more as to how and why hotlinked modules are placed on a subterranean level?

Isn't a hotlinked module always an external file? Im just not understanding the way to use hotlinks in teamwork so that they function like components in sketchup.
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rob2218
Newcomer
that project was long gone in my memory banks but I'll try to ellaborate the way "these" folks did it at "their" offices.

Apparently the gal that set up this crazy method did this so she could keep the hotlink file "INSIDE" the same file she was linkning it to. it was on a level that you never saw and it was put there for "ease of editing" instead of having to have two files open (Hotlink file and file hotlink was inserted into). Instead they'd simply 'edit' the apartment unit types "inside" the same file that they then placed a hotlink from. And apparently....No...hotlinks can be associated groups of information ALSO coming from within the same file they are being linked into.....go figure. whacky...but TRUE.
adambeazley wrote:
Can you elaborate a little more as to how and why hotlinked modules are placed on a subterranean level?

Isn't a hotlinked module always an external file? Im just not understanding the way to use hotlinks in teamwork so that they function like components in sketchup.
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
i>u
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adambeazley
Newcomer
So how do you set that up? Because when you save a module you are saving to a file location right?
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rob2218
Newcomer
no...apparently you can save a mod file...I think that's how they did it.....right inside the file it's being hotlinked into.
I think....GS..please correct me if I'm wrong here.
I think what they did was create different unit plans (UNIT A, UNIT B, etc..) had them residing (existing) on those sub-terrain levels (designed as "Apartment Level A" , "Apartment Level B" for the different kinds of apartment types, the they grouped them together and saved them as a mod? I think, then they hotlinked that MOD grouping of information into the same file they were created from....I think that's how they did it sir..........AFAIK it was so long ago and that office left bad scares in my psyche' that I'm trying to suppress it from my ROM for good
it was a horrible experience at that office. it was a sweat shop.....the boss would come in, look at you, not even say good morning, and his request always started with the phrase........."Now, can you get task "A" done for me as fast as you can....blah, blah blah"............Geez it was like, "really Ahole!....no I want to take my darn sweet time and provide you with the SLOWEST service I can possible"...........what a douche.
adambeazley wrote:
So how do you set that up? Because when you save a module you are saving to a file location right?
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
i>u
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adambeazley
Newcomer
Ok I guess that is what that "Replace selection with this hotlinked module file" checkbox is for...

Unfortunately that checkbox is grayed out in teamwork, which is what we always use. doh!!
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rob2218
Newcomer
Like I said...part of my archicad experience that I more than want to forget...........completely. Just the mere fact that the boss was a A&^%$! was enough for me to NOT retain anything that happened there......archicad or not.
sorry...I hope you can get that MOD, Hotlink, TW thing sorted out.
adambeazley wrote:
Ok I guess that is what that "Replace selection with this hotlinked module file" checkbox is for...

Unfortunately that checkbox is grayed out in teamwork, which is what we always use. doh!!
...Bobby Hollywood live from...
i>u
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Archicad 22, Archicad 23
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Barry Kelly
Moderator
adambeazley wrote:
Unfortunately that checkbox is grayed out in teamwork, which is what we always use. doh!!
In teamwork you need to make sure your user role has permission to perform the tasks you want to do.

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Da3dalus
Participant
I think there was some confusion on the Hotlink Module process. Modules (MOD) are separate files that are saved out from the Source file. They can either be edited independently, or updated in the Source file and overwritten (typically using the Publisher). It's CRITICAL that the team decides one way or another. Then the MODs are Hotlinked into the Host file. We prefer to have the Host and Source be the same. Check out my post below to explain why the Hotlink Module Sources should come from the same file as the Host (hint: Attributes).

One thing I have discovered, which appears to have worked since ArchiCAD 17, but isn't really documented... you can insert Hotlinks directly from the same Source file in Teamwork without having to publish MOD files. It creates a circular link where you can Hotlink a single story of your file to the BIM Server, Send & Receive changes, and then update the Hotlink Manager. No MOD files. This provides a few advantages:

1. You can skip the step of Publishing the Modules every time,
2. Avoid creation and maintenance of the Publisher Set,
3. Make all of the Hotlinks available to Teamwork users working remotely, without access to a hard drive or file server,
4. There are no MOD files that could accidentally get edited and overwritten.

But there should be a better way. See also This wish list item.
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Chuck,

This is an interesting use of Hotlinks and Teamwork. Never thought of it before.
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Erwin Edel
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Would that work with a 'solo' project and can you hotlink a story range like you can with .mod files?

I've been setting up 'module workplaces' in my models, where I just add extra stories for hotlinked elements in one file, besides your point about attributes, I find that running several instances of ArchiCAD to work on several modules along with the 'main' model takes up a lot of memory. I am using the method with publisher. It is quite fast, but the refreshing of modules after publishing does take time.

Another benefit of having the workplaces is using trace and reference to edit the module in relation to the rest of model.
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Actually it does seem to work.
I have only tried it with a single story Hotlink.
I created Story -1 and created a geometry there.
Then in the same file I placed Story -1 as a Hotlinked Module. And it seems to work.
The one limitation I see now is that you have to create each hotlinked module on a separate Story.
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Erwin Edel
Mentor
It sounds very interesting!

I just hope I don't create a time paradox selflinked files, sounds scary! Haha!

Out of interest, do other people prefer to create extra stories below or above the model? I've been using the method of having them 50 meters apart in themed groups above my model. A set of stories for 'mirrored' hotlinking, a group of stories for room plans, a group of stories for different bathroom layouts, a group of stories for modelled dormer window solutions, etc

Is there a downside to linking the .pln with loss of layer control? I am using layercombinations for publishing modules to make sure I don't end up with duplicated grid objects, sectionmarkers etc.
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Da3dalus
Participant
It wouldn't be as much a time paradox as a spacial anomaly. Nothing that nonlinear TransWarp physics can't fix.

We prefer the underground Stories just because it's much more likely that we'll need to add above-ground Stories as part of the building design. And it's more intuitive to ignore things that are buried underground.

As far as Layer control, I worry about that on the receiving end. Export the Modules from the Source with all layers turned on (this is partially why it's best to give each unit it's own Story). Then, when you import them in the Host, you can adjust layer combinations to show floor, ceiling, finish, furniture plan, etc. with only one Module. It's important that the layers are exactly the same in the Source and Host. It's also good not to leave a bunch of sketch junk all over your Source Stories. It's not worth overthinking the Publisher Sets.

Also, beware nested elements. Sometimes, they are necessary. However, they can also be a pain. If nested Modules had different Master Layers in their Source files, when they are imported into the Host, they will all fall under one Master Layer, and you can't turn them on/off separately.

It takes careful management of a project working like this. Don't let the newbies go wild with Hotlinking. I have a hospital and an apartment complex in the last month that are virtually inaccessible because there are too many elements showing at once that kill the computer. It's taken some long evenings to fix them.
Chuck Kottka
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LaszloNagy wrote:
Actually it does seem to work.
I have only tried it with a single story Hotlink.
I created Story -1 and created a geometry there.
Then in the same file I placed Story -1 as a Hotlinked Module. And it seems to work.
The one limitation I see now is that you have to create each hotlinked module on a separate Story.
Can you tell me the step by step of how to place an underground story as a module. I'm at a loss! Can't get my head around not using a .mod

Or better yet, could you explain how to get hotlink modules accessible from a remote office in a TW project?

When I attempt to place a module from a teamwork file, it inserts the ENTIRE 2.6Gb hotel into where the room once was funny, but frustration as we have a few people that need access to the hotlinks module files at once. So far I have set up mapped network drives that all point at one PC on the local network at one of the offices. Would i need a VPN to link both offices so that we can access the .mod modules from both locations using Teamwork ?

I've read literally all the documentation on this and it would seem that it should just work
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davidstonearchicad21 wrote:
Can you tell me the step by step of how to place an underground story as a module. I'm at a loss! Can't get my head around not using a .mod
Model what you want in the underground storey and save the file.
Now move up to the storey where you want the module.
Go through the menus to place a module and browse for this saved file.
Choose 'single storey' and then select the underground storey you want and add it.

Now when ever you modify the underground storey, just save the file and update hotlinks.

Sorry I know very little about using teamwork.

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