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Joist Hanger missing in 21 [USA Detailer library]

TracyGA
Contributor
Does anyone know why ArchiCAD got rid of the joist hanger library part? We were just looking for it in our office and realized it is no where to be found in ArchiCAD 21.
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Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
This is a USA issue (these parts have only ever been in the US library).

Graphisoft US (not HQ in Hungary) did this for totally unknown reasons - just as they also only provided a 'commercial' template out of the box this year, rather than residential and commercial as in years past.

Contact your reseller to complain.

The workaround is to use the File > Libraries and Objects > Extract a Container command on the AC 20 library LCF file to temporarily unpack the entire library into some folder (maybe call it AC 20 Detailer Lib) on your computer where you'd like to keep these symbols for future reference.

Remove everything from this folder EXCEPT the 00 General 20/Detailer Library 20 folder as well as the MACROS 20/Detailer Macros 20 folder. You'll remove more stuff in a bit.

If you want all of the missing 2D symbols, open Library Manager and add the folder above (AC 20 Detailer Lib or whatever you called it). You'll get a ton of duplicate part error messages because of the selected symbols that ARE in the AC 21 USA library. You can later eliminate those errors (you should) by going to the folder you created above and deleting the folder/content that corresponds to what IS in the AC 21 library in the 00 General 21 > 2D Details 21 folders. Crazy, but you'll see that while the original library has all kinds of masonry, the Masonry 21 folder only has what is in the CMU folder from the old library - so just delete the CMU stuff from the disk folder that you created. Etc.

After clean-up, the folder on your disk will contain all of the old stuff that isn't in the new 2D Details 21 folder. I have no idea if they improved any of those parts or why they chose to only include the random folders that they did.

Karl
One of the forum moderators   •   AC 25 USA and earlier   •   MacOS 11.6.2, iMac Pro

vfrontiers
Contributor
Ugh.
Duane
Visual Frontiers
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vfrontiers
Contributor
And while we're complaining... why have these never been created as 3d Objects... Does no one else put joist hangers in their models?
Duane
Visual Frontiers
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vfrontiers
Contributor
This gets more interesting...

I went to EXPAND LIBRARY CONTAIN and found that the SIMPSON stuff is IN the MIGRATION LIBRARY under AC20 parts..

But I can't SELECT them from the object tool...

hmmm.
Duane
Visual Frontiers
AC22 6021:|: AC24 4007:|: Enscape3:|:TwinMotion
DellXPS 4.7ghz i7:|: 8gb GPU 1070ti

vfrontiers
Contributor
Soo... I couldn't LOAD the part, but I could "SAVE TO DISK" from the Library Manager (so I didn't have to extract the full library)...

Then, even after LOADING just that library, they were not available to choose from the object tool...

Then I just DRAGGED them from the FINDER (MAC speak)... onto the plan and it was there... I then opened the part and saved back to the folder as a 21.gsm and it's fine...

I am using these to create 3d Parts (with the ability to display them in a 2d window as FRONT and SIDE as well)
Duane
Visual Frontiers
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Anonymous
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Thank You, Karl.

Arghhhhh!
Think Like a Spec Writer

AC24-6004 / USA AC25-4013 USA

Rhino 7 Mac

MacOS 11.6.1

Da3dalus
Contributor
Has anyone created a replacement library for the discontinued parts, as Karl described, and published it? I could have sworn I saw one on a web site somewhere, but now that I need it for my updated Template, I don't see it. Graphisoft really should provide this.
Chuck Kottka
Orcutt Winslow
Phoenix, Arizona, USA

ArchiCAD 25 (since 4.5)
Macbook Pro 15" Touchbar OSX 10.15 Core i7 2.9GHz/16GB RAM/Radeon Pro560 4GB

Da3dalus
Contributor
By the way, I created a Wish to bring back the objects here:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=272782&highlight=library+part+detail#272782
Chuck Kottka
Orcutt Winslow
Phoenix, Arizona, USA

ArchiCAD 25 (since 4.5)
Macbook Pro 15" Touchbar OSX 10.15 Core i7 2.9GHz/16GB RAM/Radeon Pro560 4GB

Steve Jepson
Advisor
vfrontiers wrote:
And while we're complaining... why have these never been created as 3d Objects... Does no one else put joist hangers in their models?
In the old days there was a set of Truss Joist hangers, even included some angled joist hangers. They were all .gsm I may have put a link to them here on the Forum ? Would have to search. I Think this was before Truss Joist MacMillan sold to Weyerhaeuser. Now Weyerhaeuser has split off the old Truss Joist MacMillian part into RedBuilt. So contacting RedBuilt, asking for .gsm parts might get you in contact with one of the old company guys who could get you that old Truss Joist .gsm library. ?
I am sure I have it archived somewhere. If I remember correctly I did make some posts on this forum about how they were not working as expected or something. ?

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Steve Jepson
Advisor
found the old Forum post about this -- I will look for those TJI .gsm hangers when I get the time. They are probably still available somewhere.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=275214#275214

Also, there were some really good looking TJI's in .gsm too. Had the logo on them. Anyone have some of those ?

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