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Liamthanks
Contributor
Hi all,

I am looking at building a PC to use from home for some private work or to be able to work from home when sick. I have been doing a bit of research and have put together what I believe to be a sufficient system for the projects I intend to work on. Can you advise if there is anything below that is overkill or potentially needs to be upgraded to get the perfect system? I was thinking that potentially a Ryzen 5 CPU could be a cheaper alternative.

CPU: AMD AM4 Ryzen 7 1700X - 3.4Ghz 8 Core, 16 Threads - ($319)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 - ($105)
Graphics Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB - ($395)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 16gb (2x 8gb) - ($225)
SSD: WD Blue 3D 500GB SSD - ($119)
HDD: Seagate 3.5" Barracude 2TB - ($85)
Case & Power Supply: Thermaltake Versa N-25 w/ 600W Power Supply- ($115)
DVD Writer: Asus SATA DVD Writer - ($18)
Total:$1,381
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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
I would add another of your 2TB Seagates and put them in Raid 1 if you are not keeping file backups elsewhere. It is nice to have redundancy in case a drive fails, especially for work files. Also, the case comes with one fan? I would probably add a second.



Ling.
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Anonymous
Not applicable
I would change the SSD drive to a samsung 960 pro m.2 drive as much faster that standard ssd.

Regards
Scott

Liamthanks
Contributor
sboydturner wrote:
I would change the SSD drive to a samsung 960 pro m.2 drive as much faster that standard ssd.

Regards
Scott
Hi Scott,

Thanks for the suggestion. At $599 from my preferred supplier, it is quite the jump up from the $115 for the WD Blue, so not a viable option for me. How much does the speed of the SSD affect performance? And in what respects?
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Liamthanks
Contributor
Lingwisyer wrote:
I would add another of your 2TB Seagates and put them in Raid 1 if you are not keeping file backups elsewhere. It is nice to have redundancy in case a drive fails, especially for work files. Also, the case comes with one fan? I would probably add a second.



Ling.
Hi Ling,

Valid points, thanks for your feedback. I shall add another HDD and fan.
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mikas
Advocate
Liamthanks wrote:
sboydturner wrote:
..samsung 960 pro m.2 drive as much faster that standard ssd.
At $599 from my preferred supplier, it is quite the jump up from the $115 for the WD Blue
I just bought a Samsung 970 EVO for 150€. It shouldn't be any higher in dollars, probably less:
SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500GB

I have tried it all, HDD, SSD, SSD RAID, and PCIe M.2 AHCI allready. NVMe should be even faster. It's not all about continuous transfer rates, it's about fast access times and low latencies too.

Fast program starts, fast system startups, fast file opens, fast file saves. Fast everything.
I believe SATA SSD is sufficient, but M.2 SSD would be great.
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Liamthanks
Contributor
mikas wrote:
Liamthanks wrote:
sboydturner wrote:
..samsung 960 pro m.2 drive as much faster that standard ssd.
At $599 from my preferred supplier, it is quite the jump up from the $115 for the WD Blue
I just bought a Samsung 970 EVO for 150€. It shouldn't be any higher in dollars, probably less:
SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500GB

I have tried it all, HDD, SSD, SSD RAID, and PCIe M.2 AHCI allready. NVMe should be even faster. It's not all about continuous transfer rates, it's about fast access times and low latencies too.

Fast program starts, fast system startups, fast file opens, fast file saves. Fast everything.
I believe SATA SSD is sufficient, but M.2 SSD would be great.
Funny you mention that, I went and had a look into it after the previous comment and that model is actually the one I ended up choosing. It's $228 at my supplier, which I am happy with if it means better performance. Being an M.2, does this mean it has a different connection type? Are all motherboards compatible with this?
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Liam,
I would shop around a bit more as I picked up one with a 500Gb capacity for just over AUD$200 a couple of weeks ago

Scott

vistasp
Expert
Liamthanks wrote:
Being an M.2, does this mean it has a different connection type? Are all motherboards compatible with this?
Yes, the M.2 connection is different from standard SATA. Most of the newer motherboards have these it but it's always better make sure. The B450 chipset usually has a single M.2 slot that supports PCIe as well as SATA drives.
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vistasp
Expert
Just checked the specs on your board:
4x SATA 6Gb/s ports
Supports RAID 0, RAID1 and RAID 10
1x M.2 slot (Key M)
Supports PCIe 3.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s 2242/ 2260 /2280 storage devices
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Liamthanks
Contributor
Thank you all for your feedback, greatly appreciated.

Scott, I will look into pricing on that item. At this point I figured it'd be easier to source all the hardware from one supplier, but I might look into sourcing each item individually if the costs are significantly cheaper.
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Lingwisyer
Virtuoso
If you show your supplier your shopping list, they maybe willing to give you a deal to bring to overall price to around the same. That is what I did when I built my last computer, they gave me a better price on a few of the items I was going to get from them as they could not quite match the other stores price on the other items.

Going to a single store also opens up the option of having them build the computer for you if you are willing to pay a bit extra. If you go with this path, they will cover faults and warranty replacements if there are any issues. If you build it yourself, you will have to pay for system testing and such if there are any issues, so you will essentially have to provide your own support. So, you will be more out of pocket, but if there are issues, you will save yourself time and trouble.



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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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My desktop is very similar to the configuration you are trying to put together, and I am very happy with it. A few thoughts:

SSD: I agree with the guys who recommended the Samsung EVO SSD. The EVO is much cheaper than the PRO and the PRO is not that much faster to justify spending so much more money on it for me. On the other hand, these NMVe SSDs with the M2 connector are multiple times faster than SATA SSDs.

HDD: I agree with the RAID suggestion. AMD Ryzen chipsets support RAID for no additional cost. So I actually bought 2x3 TB HHD and put them in a RAID array for data redundancy (I think that is RAID 1). I have no worries about data loss no at all.

RAM: I would recommend 32 GB of RAM, you would not want to save money on RAM. In my experience, the most important system components in order of priority for me are:

- RAM (amount of RAM, not clockrate)
- CPU
- Storage (NMVe SSD)
- GPU

If you run out of RAM, your work is slowed down considerably, regardless of how good your other system components. You can have 16 threads of CPU cores running at 4 GHz, but if you run out of RAM, your system slows down considerably. You will be using this machine for at least 4-5 years because CPUs are not getting that much faster these days so a new computer lasts a lot longer than, e.g. a decade ago. By enough RAM, that is my point.
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Liamthanks
Contributor
Hi all,

So I put the station on hold to give me some time to put some money away. I've gone and got a quote for the below system which sits just shy of $2K. I was hoping to spend about $1.5K, but obviously need the PC to perform now and for years to come. Is it a viable option to drop down to a Ryzen 5 and maybe get a lower spec GPU?

AMD Description Price
CPU AMD AM4 Ryzen 7 2700X - 3.7Ghz 8 Core, 16 Threads $469
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-M2 $104
Graphics Card Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB $339
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 32gb (2x 16gb) $340
SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2 500gb $170
HDD Seagate 3.5" Barracude 2TB x2 ($85 ea) $170
Case Thermaltake Versa N-25 w/ 600W Power Supply $119
DVD Writer Asus SATA DVD Writer $16
Operating System Windows 10 Pro $199
Monitors Asus VP278H27" Monitor x2 $199
Keyboard & Mouse Microsoft 7N9-00028 Wireless KB&M $84
Total $2,209
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Srinivas
Booster
Have a look at the recently release GTX 1660 graphic card, better performance and with in the price range. Hope this helps.
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Liamthanks
Contributor
How important is the GPU on these systems when the rendering is CPU based?
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Anonymous
Not applicable
GPU affects your day to day interaction with the software, how fast the screen redraws pans etc and whether you get artifacts such as pixelation tearing etc.
Buy a good GPU, I would recommend a proper workstation card (Quadro) over a gaming card (GeForce) as the drivers and hardware are more reliable. You can buy a mid level quadro P2000 5Gb for about AUD$550 that will be enough for Archicad unless you are working on large projects where I would suggest going to the newer RTX4000 8Gb but it costs in excess of AUD$1500

Scott

Liamthanks
Contributor
It's good to learn this stuff, as I had no idea about the different requirements of a GPU. Does the Quadro have the ability to run games as well? The intention was to be able to casually game on this as well as work.
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Liamthanks
Contributor
Interestingly, the GTX 1060 sits on par with a Quadro P2000 based on the Graphisoft tests. Does the P2000 perform better in other aspects?

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/83528/
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Reliability is where a quadro card wins out over a GTX card, you will find multiple posts on these forums where people experience totally random issues which are caused by the GTX drivers especially the GeForce experience software.
GTX is like a sports car, can get you there very quickly but will require troubleshooting and unplanned maintenance whereas a Quadro card is more like a prime mover designed to run at full load each and every day with minimal downtime

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