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Dedicated Shared Resource File

Braza
Newcomer
After proposing a Dedicated Multilink Resource File in other topics related to issues in managing attributes on multi hotlinked projects, I decided to post the wish.
Here is what I propose:
1. A dedicated external file format (.rsf) that could pack not only Attributes but also: Model View Options, Dimensions, Graphic Overrides, Properties, Classifications, Schedules, Library Parts, Images, Drawings, Master Layouts and Favorites;
2. These files could be loaded in the Library Manager, and after loading them, all the resources would be available within the project;
3. The .rsf files could be edited and saved in a project with the Resource Manager;
4. Updated/Edited .rsf files would trigger a warning similar to a Module File Updater;
5. The Resource Manager could exchange resources from different .rsf files;
6. The Resource Manager could also concatenate different resources from multiple .rsf files and create new .rsf files.

With this workflow, we could create and manage a single .rsf file for: Multiple specific Office Standards, Team Work Project Resources, Manufacture/Commercial Resources in a single Package for easy download and maintaining. Manufacturers could create specific Properties, Schedules, Surfaces, Building Materials, etc...

What do you think?

Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Sounds like an important wish to me.
I think the "Master" file could be a PLN, PLA, or a shared Teamwork file as well. Or, it could also be stored on a cloud storage location since every computer nowadays has internet, they would know immediately if any changes occurred in the file.
The main point is that there is a single source from which all other files get all these settings. Whenever there is any change in the main file, other files that are open get some kind of notification and they can be updated with the changes using delta technology.
Then a Dialog appears detailing what changes occurred in these settings.
A good question is whether the update would be immediate and mandatory, or the user would be given a choice as to when to update their settings.
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Braza
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Thanks for your thoughts Laszlo.

I proposed a new file format, to make it lighter than a .pln or .pla file. It would be a mix between .lcf and .att. But if the file size would be significant, I agree that a .pln or .pla would be even better.

The .pln solution would also benefit the Library Parts handling, as they could be embedded in the Master file and shared with linked projects. It would also allow to share Layouts and Publishing folder structures.

In a Team Work environment, if needed, everyone in the team could propose changes on a Master file, but only the BIM managers could approve them. Good for Office Standards/Templates.

The .pln could also have standard details that could be shared.

I can see lots of benefits.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Yes, interesting new thoughts about how these modification suggestions could work in TW.
I think it could be either a PLN, PLA, or a dedicated file format, just as there is a dedicated AAT file for attributes, but you can also get attributes from PLN/PLA files in the Attrbiture Manager.
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Braza
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Just to add to the description of the wish:

The workflow with this Resource File would be like this:

1. A Resource File could be created from any pln/pla/tpl file;
2. The Resource File could be linked/hosted by any other single/teamwork file;
3. All the resources from the Resource File would be "wired" (not just inserted) to the host file;
4. Changes in the Resource Files would be bidirectional. So, we could edit, for example, attributes in linked Resource File, and all the changes would be automatically updated (with a user notification) on every other host files; And we could also, on a host file, edit an attribute located on a Resource File;
5. The process would be the same on a Teamwork environment, regarding the user role on the project.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
AC24_INT#3008 / I7 / 16Gb / 512Mb SSD / Windows 10

Braza
Newcomer
Continuing...
6. If we remove the Resource File in the Library Manager, all its resources would be removed from the host file;
7. This workflow would create the need for a new wish: A new "Create New Project" command with the option to create a new "Completely Empty Project" (No attributes, Embedded objects, Layouts, View Maps, etc). This way, we could be sure to start a project from scratch and only use Resources from specific Resource Files loaded on the Library Manager.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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jl_lt
Contributor
I really hope they implement something like this soon, as it would be INMEDIATELY helpful from the one man office to the multinational office.

I would also add the ability to substitute or mark layers and layers combinations so one can easily map existing layers with the layer structure of the global file.

Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi All,

Thank you very much for creating this poll, and for those of you who voted to express their opinion.

I am happy to say we took notice of this wish and I have added it into our Wish List database (please refer to it as Wish #12813). Hopefully, our Product Management team will adopt this one in the future. Personally, I think this is an extremely cool idea!

Thank you all once more, and I wish you a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Braza
Newcomer
Thanks Minh! Not only for your always professional feedback, but especially for your personal support. It means a lot for us.

I think this feature would allow not only to solve the well known issues on multiple hotlink attribute management, but it would also create a more flexible way for Manufacturers create, manage and deploy extremely detailed BIM content (Properties, Schedules, CP's, 2d Details, Surfaces... you name it!) for the community.
Waaaay better than Revit Families.
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
AC24_INT#3008 / I7 / 16Gb / 512Mb SSD / Windows 10

Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Thank you for the kind words! I wish I could do more for Archicad users, but hopefully you guys will find my presence here helpful!

Have a nice day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

afaria
Newcomer
I was about to mention that a "blank" file would be needed but you added just after.
It's a great suggestion and could easily become a "main feature" of a new version of Archicad. Let's say Archicad 25. This is a great idea and would make hotlinked/host files workflow unproblematic.
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sboydturner
Newcomer
This would be a highly desirable feature for most organisations as you could have the company attributes file referenced into many projects and if combined with some checking / compliance tools or reports would allow QA auditing of files against the company standards. If a different set of attributes is required for specific project requirements the project could be linked to specific project attributes file

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Scott
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Brett Brown
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Been advocating this for years. Would be exactly the same as the Resource Manager in Vectorworks. Apparently an API could also do this and it would sure be a moneymaker in the meantime for someone. Essential
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schagemann
Contributor
I agree that this is an important feature - however, it is not new!

A centralised seed file has been discussed in detail for at least 10 years, on this an other Graphisoft forums and even in person during various technical visits by Graphisoft HQ.

@Minh > how does this wish list work, is there no cross check for existing features... and if this wish is not already on the list, why?

Btw. the BIMCLOUD server is the perfect location for this centralised SRF or seed file.

Regarding, the OPs idea of the sync being bidirectional by default is a good idea, although I am not a friend of micro management, a SRF connected / wired to multiple or all your project files and which can get updated from anywhere is a bit of a risk factor... maybe if it was limited to a specific BIM Manager role which controls the distribution process?

Also in our experience, across all project sizes you will always have project specific attributes that get added as you go along. Again this is where we had suggested in the past that the BIMCLOUD server could facilitate the QA process by comparing the attribute set in a given file agains such a sees or SRF file, highlight the differences and repeats across projects, which you can then add to your base SRF file for future projects.

But either way I would be more than happy to have a very simple implementation of this as a starting point.
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Braza
Newcomer
Yes. This is a well known wish in the community.
I did search the Wishlist and didn't found anything specific. Just a series of comments on various related topics.
Sometimes people don't do anything about it expecting that someone has done it already.
So I decided to post the whish essence, and other extends, just to make sure it won't be missed.
Cheers,
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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afaria
Newcomer
BIMserver or not should be a choice. On a BIMserver however, it makes sense because of the roles and editing rights features that could be enhanced.

It would be nice to have an action history of these changes, kind of the same as the actions by user listed on the BIMserver. Mainly a list of attributes changed or created. This list would be great for a manager to have a look from time to time at the changes that have been done and assure overall quality, leaving, at the same time as much freedom as desired for the teams to edit or create new attributes.
Adriano Faria / Architect
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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afaria wrote:
BIMserver or not should be a choice. On a BIMserver however, it makes sense because of the roles and editing rights features that could be enhanced.

I think BIMServer (BIMcloud) should definitely be a choice. The master resource file would be on the Bimcloud and all Archicad instances, wherever they are in the world, could update their resources, attributes, etc., from the master file on the BIMcloud.
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Nguyen Minh
Graphisoft Moderator
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schagemann wrote:
I agree that this is an important feature - however, it is not new!

@Minh > how does this wish list work, is there no cross check for existing features... and if this wish is not already on the list, why?
Hi,

Thank you for the question!
It is true that this wish has been discussed multiple times, and I could find some of its variations in the Wish List database. However, as @Braza mentioned, this is a very specific wish, with a clear goal/vision for implementation, therefore I decided to enter it as a new one.

Currently, the Wish List is an internal database. I hope that we will be able to open it for public voting soon!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

jl_lt
Contributor
Currently, the Wish List is an internal database. I hope that we will be able to open it for public voting soon!

Thanks, Mr. Mnguyen. That would be great and allow for allocating the resources on the things that matter the most

Braza
Newcomer
Nice suggestions Guys!
All agreed.

Continuing from here...

8. With the creation of the Dedicated Shared Resource File, then the Library Manager would no more be able to load single objects or .lcf files. The only way to load resources would be from a Resource File.
9. If a new module would be inserted with resources not loaded in the host file, then a message would appear: "The module contains external resource files. Do you want to load them in your Library Manager?"
Paulo Henrique Santos, Architect
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