Additional user-definable renovation statuses

[Anonymous]

Aswell as the in-built EXISTING/DEMO/NEW states, it would be great if we could add new states. These states could then be used as an elegant solution to the problem of how best to manage multiple building design options.

So imagine if we could have DEMO1, DEMO2, NEW1 & NEW2 states aswell (and also control their display with filters), then it would be very simple to show multiple options for a renovation -- without having to resort to multiple plns and hotlinks.

[Anonymous]

What we really need is a full overhaul which would allow phasing, alternates and even construction sequencing.

[Anonymous]

Matthew wrote:
What we really need is a full overhaul which would allow phasing, alternates and even construction sequencing.

Yes, we need to have differents plans for each phase of the construction, and each profession.

[haymont]

Agree with the above completely. Project staging is common even on small scale projects. On a completely simple level being able to reflect composites and surfaces with a renovation state as well as parts of windows, doors and other objects.

Example 1 - Existing exterior wall clad in cement sheet needs to have all the cladding removed to be reclad in weatherboard but the actual (structural components of the wall) remain. Current work around depending on scale of project either make 2 copies of wall in existing and new renovation state or 2D fills and covers

Example 2 - Windows and doors- an existing door will have a new door leaf installed or existing windows will have glass replaced to meet code. Everything else is to remain. To represent this you have to again either note it or other work arounds with copies of objects on different layers.

Example 3 - Simply documenting new wall colours. Sometimes need to show extent of new finishes vs old. Wall that might be white needs to be painted bluein new revision state.

Renovation states of components in composites or objects is a must have in my opinion.

[PB]

Any ArchiCAD users working on existing buildings who would not find this useful?

The renovation filter is crying out for this level of functionality !

[Professor Pickle]

peter_h wrote:
Aswell as the in-built EXISTING/DEMO/NEW states, it would be great if we could add new states. These states could then be used as an elegant solution to the problem of how best to manage multiple building design options.

So imagine if we could have DEMO1, DEMO2, NEW1 & NEW2 states aswell (and also control their display with filters), then it would be very simple to show multiple options for a renovation -- without having to resort to multiple plns and hotlinks.

Yes we need this option but not as a hack to cover other holes in the software. As someone else stated, we need phasing/staging and design options as first class citizens, not some second rate hacks.

-t

[DGSketcher]

The problem at the moment is an element can only be a member of a single renovation filter. If that limitation was removed so elements were could be a member of more than one filter then we could combine Existing, phase 1, phase 2, option A etc.

[Israel de Quevedo]

I would prefer not to change the renewal system so much.

We could have a classification of phases and in each of these phases consider the state of an element, for example:

In phase one:
does not exist yet.
The item is considered "non-existent" at this stage, therefore it is hidden.

In phase two:
It's new.
The item is considered "new" at this stage.

In phase three:
Is existing:
The item is considered "existing" at this stage.

In phase four.
is "To demolish".
The item is classified as "to be demolished" at this stage.

In phase five.
It was demolished.
The item is considered "demolished" and is hidden.

There must not be a linear sequence of phases, since in construction many phases are operated non-consecutively, but rather a series of specific conditions have to be expected to start each phase separately.

The phases must be independent of any temporal linearity, do not copy yourself from revit.

[Miha_M]

One could use a new property "phase" value applied to all elements. It could be made of pre-defined phases, stages or whatever state definition you'd need. Selectable from a drop-down list for everybody working on that project. This way it can be scheduled, used with graphic overrides, etc.