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Wendell
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We desperately need a built-in keynote system that allows for editing within a schedule (similar to door/window schedules), but also able to be tagged to a non-object such as detail drawing lines, fills, etc. and be searchable throughout the entire project - plans, worksheets, elevations, details, etc.  We want to be able to say that THIS THING (whatever, and wherever it is) is associated with THIS KEYNOTE, and to be able to find all those keynotes wherever they are and modify their data in a single location.

 

Graphisoft team, please consider this request.

 

 

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Here is a method for keynotes in vanilla Archicad, except it doesn’t work. It takes a classification, three properties, an object, and a schedule:

 

A classification called Keynote.

 

A property called Full Keynote, string type option set. Each option consists of the short note, a separator, and the long note. The separator can be anything that doesn’t occur in content, such as “::”. The short note is displayed in the view, as an object. The long note is shown alongside the short note in a schedule.

 

A property called Short Note, string type, using the expression SPLIT (Full Keynote, “::”, 1). This property will output the short note part of the Full Keynote property.

 

A property called Long Note, string type, using the expression SPLIT (Full Keynote, “::”, 2). This property will output the long note part of the Full Keynote property.

 

All three properties are available to the Keynote classification.

 

An object, maybe called Keynote Object, which acts like a label, with text and a leader. The text is the Short Note property. The objects are classified as Keynote.

 

A schedule of the Keynote Objects, which shows columns for the Short Note and Long Note properties.

 

The format of the Full Keynote options is:

Note 1::Full text for note 1

Note 2::Full text for note 2

Note 3::Full text for note 3

etc.

 

Options are created as needed in the Property Manager. The user places Keynote Objects and selects the desired Full Keynote property option. The object displays the short text, and the schedule lists all the notes.

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The only catch is that only floor plan elements can be scheduled; the workaround for this is to make sure any elevation keynotes are duplicated on a hidden layer in the plan.

 

This super simple once you get your GDL friend to write you the object. No new tool, no add-on.

 

But it doesn’t work due to limitations in Archicad. Only labels can display properties, and of course they display the properties of other elements and have no properties of their own. And labels can’t be scheduled. Objects can’t display properties, not even properties attached to themselves.

 

I expect Graphisoft finds the notion of attaching properties to annotations rather than building elements to be Not BIM. Respectfully, they need to get over it. (Or let us schedule labels, which I guess also Just Seems Weird.) This is an old, constant, high-ranking user wish, especially in the USA, and it is THIS CLOSE to being crossed off.

 

Allow objects to display text of their own properties, and we’re done.

 

Cross-posted here. 

I'm trying to understand why the Multileader Label 25 (which is an object) couldn't be used effectively with attached properties and scheduled appropriately. 

Djordje
Ace

And... this is also maybe "just there" as James put it... allow scheduling in elevations, too. It is easier to calculate the openings to solid ratio (required here in the desert) using fills, than to schedule the solid and penetrated area of an elevation. Not to mention that an actual drawing has to be produced, that is again, done the easiest way by superimposing fills on the actual elevation.

 

@James Murray wrote:
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The only catch is that only floor plan elements can be scheduled; the workaround for this is to make sure any elevation keynotes are duplicated on a hidden layer in the plan.

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Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Alumni
Graphisoft Alumni

Dear James,

 

Thank you very much for sharing this great idea! Personally, I really like it!

I am happy to say we took notice of this wish and I have added it to our Wish List database (please refer to it as IDEA-9189). Hopefully, our Product Management team will adopt this one in the future.

 

Thank you all for the opinions, and I wish you a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Alumni
Graphisoft Alumni

Hello,

Thank you for sharing the idea, we truly appreciate the time you've taken to contribute towards the development of the software!

I'm glad to say that this is an existing wish in our Wish list database.
(For future reference, you can refer to it as IDEA-5566)

I hope to see it implemented in the future.
Have a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Wendell
Contributor

Hello Minh,

Thank you for the confirmation.  I appreciate how great Archicad is in so many ways and the consistent annual improvements, and look forward to seeing this tool incorporated.

Sincerely,

Wendell

While you wait for GS's solution you may want to look at this:

Hi, I´ve gotten hung up on this keynote issue after reading several posts in wishes forum. If the Change tool wasn´t needed for revisions, wouldn´t that tool be ideal for keynotes? You could also use the Revision History (simple/detailed) object to show the list of keys and notes. This would work on all types of views, I think? And for Graphisoft it would just be to copy the code and rename the tool? I haven´t tried using the change tool as a Keynote tool, and I am writing without thinking everything through here...maybe it´s enough to make a heap of Keynotes (changes) in your template file, and use them as unlinked markers? Thoughts?

Hi, just wrote in a different thread about keynotes - just an idea: If the change tool wasn´t needed for revisions, wouldn´t that tool be ideal for Keynotes? Make a load of keynotes (changes) in your office template, and use the unlinked change marker to display the keys, and the revision history object to list the keys and the notes? Graphisoft would just need to copy the code for the change tool and rename it - and add it to an update?

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