!Restored: ¿News about AC 12?

[Anonymous]

Hi all!


¿Anybody knows anything about AC 12, please?


I'm hearing rumours, but nothing concrete...


Thanks a lot and regards.



P.S. Like another user says: "forgive my spanglish..."

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Dennis wrote:

Don wrote:
If AC had better and especially more intuitive modeling tools, I think it would be a big hit in the schools.

I really believe that if AC had a basic 3d tool that has the standard 3d modeling tools of any modern day modeling program, AC will be extremely popular in schools, and eventually in the main stream architectural profession.

Students are encouraged to explore wild forms and spaces as they are free from the constraints of the real world so it really makes sense for them to use programs like sketchup, rhino, maya, form-z etc., even if that means using three or four different applications to model, render, compose, etc for their presentations.

The only thing really that blocks AC from being a world wide favorite architectural program is this lack of modern day 3d forms. I really wonder - is it really that hard to include such geometry into AC? This would be a much more popular tool for students even if they charged them a few hundred bucks for it than to offer the current AC for free. The current AC just does not give the intuitive freedom of modeling that the students and architects need.

Beleive me, if the tool is capable of producing the work that the current students need to produce at schools, they will find the program, even pay for it - and the word will get around - extremely fast.

So...why not???

.......jumping Jehosophat on a jalopy bicycle - somebody's actually hoping for better modeling tools.

Anyone else wanna take this one? Anyone?

[Anonymous]

After reading this forum for 3 years I now do my first post in this forum.

When I first started reading this forum it was because I couldn´t solve/handle as I thought, easy model issues or producing perfect drawings in plotmaker. (remember plotmaker? what a joke).
After a while in the forum serching for solutions I noticed so much dissatisfaction from other users.

Remarkable that Grapisoft lets this forum stay alive.
If I would have read the forums before I invested in ArchiCad I would never have bought it today. To bad advertising . Where is the good "buzz" about new realeses?

So much frustration from so many users with relevant questions,ideas, improvements etc. about graphisoft and ArchiCad all trough many of the forum topics.

Where is the positive spirit that makes buildingpart producers to truly see the advantages with ArchiCad and BIM so that they invest in developing gdl-objects?

Wher are Grapisoft in this? I can´t say that I feel that they do their part in nuring the relationship nor with their licensebeholders, students or market.

As an ArchiCad user for several years I have had my shares of doubts about the program.
Why can I not draw/model a house how I want it to look like?.
At least draw/model it so it relates to todays reality with all the common/true buildingparts.
It should not be necessary to program or searh for gdl-objects for hours.

If the gdl-objects are bad, not detailed enough, bugged "as is" from the ArchiCad Object library my drawings will be in relation to them and not for satisfaction.
To much time then goes to redraw i 2d.
3d- building and Bim only works if there are objects/models that relate to the reality.

To many bugs remaining to be fixed from old versions.
Grapisoft just fix them!

It´s time for a change Graphisoft. For you ore for me.
It is no longer a question about hope. it´s time for delivery!

[Anonymous]

Patrick,

In my view I feel Archicad is a great program. While it is not perfect and does have many unresolved issues I still feel it is well ahead of it's competition. Frankly, most Archicad users understand this and have been very sucessful in producing their projects over the years. Again, it's not perfect but what software is? Ask yourself. are you going to jump to Revit? Good Luck with that!

I also feel that what makes this group special is their candor! We speak up about the good and bad! If guest such as yourself see this as a negative than so be it. We are not here to pander to the guests. If a guest ask a question he'll get honest answers. If you request information about purchasing Archicad I would be the first to say it's a good investment. In general you wont get filtered answers here, you'll get the truth! from everyday users who actually use the software on real projects.

Finally, I know that Graphisoft does listen to it's users and they try to accomodate our wishes. While they may not get everything we desire they do their best. I myself have seen this first hand the past two years. Again, I fully expect Graphisoft to do a better job in some areas and I along with the other regular users of this software will let them know our wishes but don't take our candor as a negative thing.

There some positive spin! stick with Archicad, you wont go wrong!

[Anonymous]

Patrick wrote:
...After a while in the forum serching for solutions I noticed so much dissatisfaction from other users.

Remarkable that Grapisoft lets this forum stay alive.
If I would have read the forums before I invested in ArchiCad I would never have bought it today. To bad advertising...

Well, these forums can sound a little negative, mainly because people tend to post about the problems they are having. It isn't often that you post to say you successfully drew something! I don't believe the tone of these forums is any better or worse than the Revit forums at AUGI, for example, so a slightly unfair assessment perhaps.

If I was to be optimistic I would hope that the current silence is simply because they are busy getting everything up together and working on all platforms before announcing anything. One of the previous complaints have been that the add-ons like the sketch-up connection and Cinema4D/Maxonform connection weren't released until long after AC came out, effectively punishing anyone who upgraded but still wanted to use these features.

I've got a feeling they will have fixed a number of long term complaints about AC so it is worth doing a good job, if only to avoid the comments about releasing half-finished half-thought out 'features' that seem to crop up when a new version of AC gets released.


Anyway, on a lighter note, shall we start placing bets when AC12 will actually come out?

I recon it will be announced tomorrow (Thurs 12 June) and released 14 July! (fingers crossed! I'm still in an optimistic mood!)

Any other takers, as I assume nobody other than GS employees would actually know!

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Peter wrote:

Patrick wrote:
........

Anyway, on a lighter note, shall we start placing bets when AC12 will actually come out?

I recon it will be announced tomorrow (Thurs 12 June) and released 14 July! (fingers crossed! I'm still in an optimistic mood!)

Any other takers, as I assume nobody other than GS employees would actually know!

........ I read something somewhere about an announcement somewhere in Verona Italy, on June 12th 2.00pm (local time, I guess, so do your own extrapolations). But don't ask me where; I would post the link but chances are it would get yanked so fast, your browsers will still be scrolling by the time you're done reading the post. So consider all this speculation. (then again this post might yet still get yanked anyway, just for hitting too close to the mark.)

Anyway, suffice it to say that the box looked uninspiring to say the least, unless you love long monotonous Curtain-walls. ,..... and the colour black.
..........but then again, it was always going to be hard to top Frank Lloyd Wright's Massaro residence from the AC11 box. One can only hope that that isn't foreboding of the highlight feature, of what's inside the box - otherwise woe betide all thee who don't use or need Curtain-walls in your day-to-day projects.

Again, all pure speculation, of course.

[Rob]

For design, students are free to use whatever they choose. Many use Sketch Up (my son has grown to dislike it's limitations), but the hot software of choice is now Rhino. Form Z was popular, but its unusual interface and steep learning curve has made Rhino the preferred modeler.

...and then the graduation and the reality kicks in... and all will end up using ACAD . I mean seriously mate, I have seen that software hype at universities (and it does not really matter on their ranks) so many times... it's just dog's bollocks, means nothing if you ask me.

More and more students are using Revit as they learned it working in their summer jobs.

yep, I can see the typical scenario - there you go mate, grab Revit (a strange software we've got, when we upgraded to our new bellowed version of ACAD... and dust off that box first) and play with it... may be it will be useful for something, because nobody can work with that here.

I mean seriously, I salute and appreciate anyone who uses Revit (or any BIM software) from the very start to the practical completion but (I will repeat myself on this forum) I have not seen a practice using purely Revit throughout the project life (it is too tempting to have a good old friend with the black backround still installed on your comp. and especially there are reassurances from my reseller that Revit and ACAD are 100% compatible). I do not wish to degrade Revit's capabilities, I just refer to professional people attitude...

[Dennis Lee]

Rob wrote:
I have not seen a practice using purely Revit throughout the project life

Around here, couple of my friends tell me that their firms are 100% revit - at least for all the new projects. One is doing hospitals mostly, and the other doing a lot of schools. They tell me they couldn't imagine going back to Acad...I'm sure there are more out there.

Maybe some regions are picking it up faster than others, but more and more people are really using revit for sure.

[Anonymous]

...and then the graduation and the reality kicks in... and all will end up using ACAD . I mean seriously mate, I have seen that software hype at universities (and it does not really matter on their ranks) so many times... it's just dog's bollocks, means nothing if you ask me.

Rob:

If you mean that we will a wind up using ArchiCad instead of Revit, well then I am certainly for that!

Check out Rhino though, I do think that it has a lot going for it. I still think that if ArchiCad were used more in the schools and became somehow the default software for architectural students it couldn't but help expand the GS universe. If 1 in 20 architects in the US knew ArchiCad-well that is a huge number. And those are just the graduates from one school of architecture.

Not having used Revit first hand, I don't know if it is as bad as you say.
Certainly, the general consensus and concern is that Revit has a huge share of the marketplace. It wasn't that long ago that Autocad dominated the world-in many ways it still does.

Don Lee

[Dwight]

The problem with BIM is that it takes superior aptitude to employ it successfully. Once the design modeling is over and the tedious drawing annotations begin, you might as well be working in ACAD. Compare it to juggling. Most people can juggle three balls, but four and five? Fewer people can deal with it. Balls all over the place. Cat busy.

I'm not surprised to see hospital projects done completely in Revit since it seems to have the regimentation to manage the strict repetitive technology medical services need. Not too much radical form experimentation there, i bet.

This talk of Rhino brings us back to the "is it a stack of building components or is it an adolescent fantasy?" It is certainly important to have students manipulate lozenges to understand form, but when a building is assembled, it is mainly sticks, panels, blocks and glop. I shudder to imagine the emotional collision of swooping student fantasy with the realities of assembly.

[Anonymous]

Well it has to be a small hospital then . I'm working in construction, and we do a lot of hospitals. We have (in Chicago area) one project from --- (large company) done in Revit, but only reference model was finished in Revit, then they exported it back into ACAD and finished, and the other project was done in Revit, but architect is constantly fighting with Revit crashing. We are working directly with Autodesk regarding that issue, and we have a special 64 bit 8 core 16GB RAM machines for this project, but it is still slow. And 3D window is horribly slow. It almost feel like there is no hardware acceleration. I don't know what it is but probably bad OpenGL driver. It is a lot of pain to work on large projects in Revit. I'm telling ya. You have a lot of time for coffee.