about archicad 12 modeling and rendering capabilities

[Anonymous]

Hi i just have saw the videos about new archicad 12 version , but i would like to know if there is something new improvements about modeling tools and rendering capabilities , along the new features included ,or the rendering and modeling tools capabilites remains the same ,? plk

thanks

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Don wrote:
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I would wait and see if it is as "limited" as you think it might be. I saw a tudor half timber wall, a decorative tile floor, a handrail, a timber roof and a sloping skylight curb made using the "curtain wall tool". It really functions in a different way than previous tools and seems to indicate a whole different direction for "tool" development from GS.

I only have limited exposure to the tool, but I'd wait to see what it is capable of before writing it off as unusable for residential use.

Don Lee

I'm merely going by comments and statements that have been made by Beta-testers who have had experience with it. Such as the fact that the featured building on the ArchiCAD 12 demo videos and presumably to be on the box as well, did not have its curtain wall, or more specifically the curving area at the top of the building, built using the Curtain wall tool (since its incapable of curving or profiling in the Z-axis) but instead was done in an earlier version using tedious GDL coding methods.

That, to me, considerably limits its versatility and function beyond the building types and design types I mentioned. I would be curious to see the examples you mentioned above (link please) since they did not feature any of them in the official demo videos). I will also be very very glad to be wrong and way off base here since this is likely to be more useful to me as a complete tool than not


Incidentally, I found the post I referenced earlier regarding GS's plans and Maxonform. Sorry to have to put Akos on the spot for this since I'm sure he's a very good and capable product manager at GSHQ, but the exact quote went as follows:

Modeling freedom in ArchiCAD?
I have to emphasize that introducing MaxonForm does NOT mean that we stop developing ArchiCAD’s own modeling capabilities. MaxonForm was NOT developed to replace the freedom in modeling and editing ArchiCAD construction elements. MaxonForm is a tool to create free-form organic objects.

Akos
Bezegh

ArchiCAD
Product
Manager
GSHQ

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Maxon Freeform in ArchiCad


The original thread was here:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=7178&postdays=0&postorder=desc&&start=32

......and was a pretty interesting thread overall. And now Maxonform is dead.

In retrospect, it's somewhat easier to understand from that thread, why GS developers now tend to stay away from posting or participating on these forums since their words can have to tendency to com back and haunt them.

Regardless I would still prefer to have a developer who tells me a certain feature or features will be developed and when it doesn't happen then they still have the decency to let us know that this is the case and explain why it wouldn't or can't happen - rather than being left in the dark as seems to be the standard policy now.

[Anonymous]

Bricklyne wrote:
... I wish I could find that exact post - one of the few times they used to ever bother to responding to user posts questions and inquiries; I'll try to see if I can find it, but I distinctly remember it, as being an indicator that it was not necessary to invest in purchasing or learning Maxonform over the long term, if one didn't need to since GS seemed inclined to bring the level and power of AC's modeling tool-set to the level, or rather, close to the level of Maxonform in terms of versatility and robustness...

Was it this post you refered to?

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=44053&highlight=maxonform#44053

(Edit) Beat me to it! Took too long having a read!

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Peter wrote:

Bricklyne wrote:
... I wish I could find that exact post - one of the few times they used to ever bother to responding to user posts questions and inquiries; I'll try to see if I can find it, but I distinctly remember it, as being an indicator that it was not necessary to invest in purchasing or learning Maxonform over the long term, if one didn't need to since GS seemed inclined to bring the level and power of AC's modeling tool-set to the level, or rather, close to the level of Maxonform in terms of versatility and robustness...

Was it this post you refered to?

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=44053&highlight=maxonform#44053

.......we are of one mind.

I found it at about the same time you did; but thanks anyway.

[Anonymous]

Hi Clarence , i agree with you , you have explain oneself very clearly , thanks

[Anonymous]

another thing iam desagree it is the fact ,that if i have to update the maxonform to C4D ,why my maxonform will be took for a half of their original price '? i mean why nemeschek or GS , cant help to all of us licensed users to update easaly and in an honestly manner so we can go forward working together ??? this seems to me not a very friendly way to try a user, even when i think all guys we are in this forum , is because we really like working with archicad ?

[__archiben]

you fellas have got to get real - blobitecture is just a fad, man!

start designing some proper buildings . . .

[Anonymous]

Hey - it isn't just blobitecture

I'm still upset that what I could do in v9 with the (then free) GDL Toolbox I still cannot do! The roof on the attached pic could be modelled with some fidelity....

😞

[Bricklyne Clarence]

~/archiben wrote:
you fellas have got to get real - blobitecture is just a fad, man!

start designing some proper buildings . . .

....right. blobitecture.

.....the good ol' standard company-line stock defense. I see.

So does that mean that I will be able to design this stair (below) with ArchiCAD 12 and have it read as a stair with all the parametric bells and whistles and not having to code a single line of GDL?

...bear in mind that the stair (potentially blobtectural, by your standards, no doubt) below was designed and built some 20 odd years ago (almost as old if not older than ArchiCAD itself- meaning that ArchiCAD should have matured enough to be able to handle that in a breeze. Right?

(don't even get me started on whether the new super-duper Curtain wall tool will allow me to design and model that thing in the background behind the stair covering the atrium)

[Bricklyne Clarence]

......no?

...how about the little handrail below? Will the new Stair tool improvements allow me to add that molded detail to my stairs now, in AC12?

....or are we still talking about blobitecture here?

that looks to me to be about 10-15 years old, at the very very least. I can't imagine someone pulled that one off without something so cool and advanced as ArchiCAD.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

......still no?

Speaking of improved Stair tools. I'm also guessing I should be able to pull this one off in ArchiCAD 12 lickedy-spliff, with no problems whatsoever.
right?

What's that, you say? Still blobitecture?