AC10 Library benefits compared to AC9 Library use in AC10

[Anonymous]

What are the benefits of the AC10 Library over the AC9 library?

Is it worth while converting to an AC10 library on a newly started AC9 project?

I need to make a decision as to which Library type to use, before
more drafting with detail is done.

Need some advice please

Some back ground:
Currently there are 10 pln files that hot link into an eleventh file.
Most files are created in AC9.
Very basic drafting done so far, Just conceptual buildings
ie. no schedules, no layouts,
with minimal extl. windows, extl. doors etc., a few trees
No interior, no electrical, no plumbing
Project has many mesh to roof items.

At the moment, my AC10 files are loading with an AC9 library, there are
NO missing objects, NO missing materials etc, loads cleanly with out
the 'Library Manager' opening up.

Is it worth while converting to AC10 library?

Thanks Greg.

[Anonymous]

There are numerous improvements in the AC10 library, but I can't really remember what they are. Converting is not that troublesome. Most AC9 parts have counterparts in the AC10 library and will be recognized automatically. The few that aren't can usually be changed easily. This eliminates any need for the AC9 subset library.

It is a trivial matter to give it a trial run. Just switch libraries in the Library Manager and see what happens. If there are lots of missing parts you can either switch back or add the subset library. There is no damage done in the process.

[Anonymous]

Matthew wrote:
... It is a trivial matter to give it a trial run. Just switch libraries in the Library Manager and see what happens. If there are lots of missing parts you can either switch back or add the subset library. There is no damage done in the process.

Matthew thank you for your reply,

I will give it another shot. I think I would like to use the AC10 library.

Have already spent hours getting a clean load up with AC9 lib on my AC10. There is another subject thread on this site with my question “How to Delete/remove a Library part/object from the library?” relating to my AC9/AC10 library issue (don't know how to insert the link).

With the kind help of others on this site and reading comments answering similar problems, I am now back at square one, BUT this time with a clean load up using AC10 with an AC9 library, ie. no missing objects.

When I load with the AC10 library, it seems like I will need to know how to identify the missing objects and also how to establish the subset library etc. that includes these items.

I know the library manager lists all the missing objects, textures etc. But how does one find/cherry pick these and how create the new subset which includes these specific missing items? Where is the subset placed?

Is there an article or thread that deals with this process in detail?
Thanks Greg.

[jbArch]

In the past I've dealt with this problem by doing the following:
1. Save the AC9 file as a plan archive (.pla) file. (Or if it is an AC10 file and you've been loading the AC9 library you should be able to do the same process)
2. Open the archive file; AC will ask if you want to extract the library into a folder (see screenshot). Then close the .pla file.
3. After you've extracted the objects, just load this new folder in combination with the standard AC 10 library when you open the .pln file again.
4. New objects you add to the project will all be AC10 parts, but the handful of old AC9 parts keep getting loaded with the project.

Not sure how this works when you are dealing with multiple hotlinked files, but give it a shot.

Cheers,
JB

[Karl Ottenstein]

Greg,

Follow JB's method, or load the 9 subset library alongside the 10 library. If you were using the Special Edition 9 (SE 9) library - having done a check for library updates way back when, then the move to 10 would be more transparent.

But from 9 to either SE9 or 10, many library parts (mostly windows/doors) were changed in ways that are not compatible with previous versions. The windows/doors (while still a bit buggy at times) now 'understand' different wall constructions, and will automatically peel back brick or siding for the brickmold, and much more. (At some level, they are almost too complicated now!) Ganging is handled properly now.

It is unlikely IMHO that anyone can fully take advantage of the 10 or SE9 windows/doors without reading the PDF that describes all of the zillions of options that they now have.

Also, visite the US tech support site here:
http://tr.graphisoftus.com/

Karl

[Anonymous]

Karl wrote:
... Follow JB's method, or load the 9 subset library alongside the 10 library. ...

Karl, JB and Matthew,

Thank you all.

I have all my files working with the AC10 library and an extracted AC9 library, they load without the Library Manager showing up and no missing items.

Great!

Thanks Greg.

[Karl Ottenstein]

Great. Glad it worked out.

Karl

[Anonymous]

Likewise glad to hear it. Cheers!

[fuzzytnth3]

Two words of warning...

1 make sure the AC10 library you are using is the latest version as we found with the very first release of the International library that a lot of our Steel Beams got messed up as Graphisoft in had their length and width parameters mixed up.

When reading the AC9 object unique id and matching it to the AC10 unique id the length and widths would get switched around.

We had zillions of short and stubby beams that didn't reach their column as a result

2 The other thing to watch is if you have large (more than 200 doors) door schedules set up in the Project file AC10 doesn't not like em". Best to delete them in AC9 first and use the new Interavctive Schedule to create replacements.

[Anonymous]

fuzzytnth3 wrote:
Two words of warning...
1 make sure the AC10 library you are using is the latest version ...

Thanks for the info.

Is there an easy way I can check to see if I have the latest AC10 lib?
Perhaps any one object that I can view in my AC10 lib that you have the correct specs for?

In upgrading to AC10 & loading the AC10 lib I went through many iterations and I don't remember the original library file name that I ended up using.

Thanks Greg.