Nats,
I have been following this thread for a while now. After listening to your "reasoned" and "level" rationale, I must admit that I see your point. My advice to you is to never give up your 2d AutoCAD software. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!
I suggest you continue to use it right up to the time when you are no longer necessary. In a much shorter time frame than your 10-20 year statement, flat-cad will be obsolete and so will you. Your choice to refuse to make the effort is the BIM world's way of cleansing the gene pool.
Design by nature is what architects do. Design is creative problem solving. Your apparent lack of any desire to embrace the problem shows a skill level that is...well.....vernacular.
Flat-cadders are the "design-o-saurs" of the profession. BIM is the Meteor.
Let me put it one more way Nats. Take a big drink of the Kool-aid!
I have been following this thread for a while now. After listening to your "reasoned" and "level" rationale, I must admit that I see your point. My advice to you is to never give up your 2d AutoCAD software. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!
I suggest you continue to use it right up to the time when you are no longer necessary. In a much shorter time frame than your 10-20 year statement, flat-cad will be obsolete and so will you. Your choice to refuse to make the effort is the BIM world's way of cleansing the gene pool.
Design by nature is what architects do. Design is creative problem solving. Your apparent lack of any desire to embrace the problem shows a skill level that is...well.....vernacular.
Flat-cadders are the "design-o-saurs" of the profession. BIM is the Meteor.
Let me put it one more way Nats. Take a big drink of the Kool-aid!
nats wrote:whoa! archicad is
Youre obviously not an architect!
i generalise. but the point is . . . in archicad (or revit - which by the way is autodesk's answer to BIM and the product they're pushing in favour of things like ACAD/ADT these days) you work with a virtual representation of your building. you
next: training. it's the most important thing. full stop. a one-day seminar will not get you productive. i can understand your frustrations if you're expected to work at full speed after just a day of being shown some of the basics. who do you work for if you don't mind me asking? and who took your seminar?
lastly: your scepticism about the use of "three dee" is something you're only going to get over by yourself. we could explain the BIM/flatcad difference until we're blue in the face . . . but i don't think anybody ever 'gets it' until they've seen it happen or made it happen for themselves.
one more thing . . . go to the archicad university in nottingham in september, ( http://www.archicad-university.com/ ). even if your firm don't pay for it, go anyway and pay yourself. it will be worth it! seeing what people like matthew, james and many other regulars on this forum can do with archicad just might help move you a little more out of the dark side . . .
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I was debating whether I even wanted to read a thread with a title like that. But I thought I'd give it a shot and I see you've done the online equivalent of running into a room full of your fellow professionals and screamed at the top of your voice 'I don't know how to use this program so it sucks!!'.
It sounds like you're chucking a tantrum mate:
Pull yourself together!
Maybe it's a good idea to show this to your employer to help convince them that they need to invest an appropriate amount of time for you to either RTFM or getting some training.
Good luck,
Link.
It sounds like you're chucking a tantrum mate:
I have only been using ArchiCAD for a few months after using AUtoCAd for ten years and so far I am finding it far worse than AutoCAD, I have to say.Listen to yourself. Your real name isn't Aldabert is it?
Why anyone would actually choose to use this program over AutoCAD is beyond me especially as drawing 3d architecture is just plain ridiculous IMO!!
This whole fascination with 3d in architectrure really loses me - I just dont see the point in it and it definitely limits your design ability to waht is in the software.
Give me AutoCAD anytime!!
I find it extremely limiting in terms of efficient output compared to AutoCAD.
If I dont use the roof tool for a day I forget how to do it next time. I cant find exactly the object I want to use.
I personally think the elevations and details produced are quite laughable and the 3d images quite horrific
as produced in ArchiCAD.
Theres no way they will ever look as nice as a 2d drawing can look.
I dont care about doing perspectives, modellers will do all that for me.
if you dont know exactly how to do it you cant possible guess
am finding it idifficult to find one strong overriding reason to use it except perhaps for house designers and vernacular architects
The sad fact is I dont know what to say I am having a problem with other than all of it.
I can't do the slighest thing in the program yet.
The whole program is just so user unfriendly!
I was a master at AutoCAD and yet now I feel that I know absolutely nothing!
Seems to me that ArchiCAD isnt a real 3d program at all
Pull yourself together!Youre obviously not an architect!With insults like this, you're only making it harder on yourself to actually get any help. Andrew is one of the top CAD users I have ever met in all my travels.
AutoCAD is the market standard, everyone can use it, you have no problems getting staff, its quick and simple, and very flexibleGet some training Nats and chill out. It's not uncommon for AutoCAD users to be resentful and sometimes close-minded about having to 'start all over again' and learn ArchiCAD. Trust me, you're not the first and you won't be the last. Some embrace the chance to better their lives, some repel it. You're obviously the latter. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard '...but in AutoCAD we can do this... I'd have $589.50. The truth is that most users who become proficient with ArchiCAD would *never* turn back.
I've similarly heard that BIMs are the way the industry is heading and like I said I could maybe see it happening in perhaps 10- 20 years time. But at the moment it just isnt feasible
I'm just glad Edison, Einstein, Da Vinci & co didn't share the same foresight and vision as yourself.
Maybe it's a good idea to show this to your employer to help convince them that they need to invest an appropriate amount of time for you to either RTFM or getting some training.
Good luck,
Link.
we could explain the BIM/flatcad difference until we're blue in the face . . .mr. frost, I never got the blue face avatar before now...........
If you want to work in 2D, ArchiCAD has a Line tool.......
Jefferson wrote:i don't think you were the only one . . .
mr. frost, I never got the blue face avatar before now...........
s2art wrote:there's a big difference between 'I' the person and 'We' the company . . .
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