This week I upgraded one of my dongles to AC 12, only one! For the majority of my last 15 years of using AC, I have used it on upper bracket residential projects. During that time I have purchased numerous 3rd party libraries for windows, doors, and furniture....because the AC library has had the same pieces of _ _ _ _ for the last 2000 years!!!
This while applications for significantly less money, mostly on the PC side - darn-it, have had features like cabinets that heal themselves when arranged in the plan, windows that actually don't have trim problems and are based on real US manufacturers, doors that don't have trim problems and are based on real US manufacturers, furniture that doesn't look like a kid with a crayon drew them, extrusions, lathes, and sweeps that can be rotated and adjust in 3D, like Objective can do. Obviously the objects should be location friendly, I don't mean to suggest every country should adopt the US objects as standard.....OK, done being politically correct.
I have personally been told by the GS CEO when v9 was out, that by issuance of v11 there would be a "new" and well sorted out library that would be "thoroughly" tested. BS.....I have v12, and I found problems with the windows after working with them less than 5 minutes.....see the attached image, so you know I'm not blowing smoke.
What the heck does it take for GS to build a decent library? Let me tell you, I will have to go kicking and screaming to Revit, but if thats what it takes to access a decent library, I will consider it. Currently you can't access anything on the Google 3D warehouse directly into AC12, and there is NO indication from GS when we will see the plug-in again, if at all. And if your on the Mac side, forget it, you don't have a prayer as the plug-in only worked on the Windows side of AC.
Obviously, if I have stuck with this program since v4.1 I think it is reasonably good. What I find inexcusable is GS willingness to keep putting out lousy standard library sets. In the world of BIM and Photorealistic renderings, GS should be providing a solid realistic library set.....they are not even close!!!!!
I have forwarded the bug to GS through tech support. I am shocked I found the bugs with the windows in less than 5 minutes of using the AC12. God knows what I will find when I dig in further with the doors.
For what I just spent on an upgrade, I am absolutely torqued at how lacking this library still is. The truth is, even 3rd party libraries are very limited - they hardly exist. Clearly GS has not been successful in getting buy-in from US manufacturers to create libraries the way AutoDesk has with Revit. While there are some very generous users out there that give away some very good objects ( THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU ) the majority of GDL objects available just are not realistic looking or don't stay current with AC.
I have suggested this before, and I will say it again. GS there are some really smart, good GDL gurus out there. Get off your wallet and hire these people to ONLY design objects or work with manufacturers of real Plumbing Fixtures, Light Fixtures, Doors, Windows, Furniture, etc....and pay them to test the objects thoroughly. I'm guessing a 1 million dollar investment in the libraries would yield something far superior to what you provide now....I guess 50 dollars might do that as well
.....hey Mr. Gallello - you getting any of this?
Richard wrote:rm wrote:Unlikely. He has cashed out and left the building.
.....hey Mr. Gallello - you getting any of this?
rm wrote:I completely agree. We are slowly working with some manufacturers & building more photo realistic GDL content. Basically every object we (or anyone else) builds increases GS's market share and in the end benefit's them. Yet they don't reply to my emails and don't seem to be too interested in helping me. Yet everyones friends at Revit, would happily give me a hand to ditch my Mac and start building content for them.
. While there are some very generous users out there that give away some very good objects ( THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU ) the majority of GDL objects available just are not realistic looking or don't stay current with AC.
I have suggested this before, and I will say it again. GS there are some really smart, good GDL gurus out there. Get off your wallet and hire these people to ONLY design objects or work with manufacturers of real Plumbing Fixtures, Light Fixtures, Doors, Windows, Furniture, etc....and pay them to test the objects thoroughly. I'm guessing a 1 million dollar investment in the libraries would yield something far superior to what you provide now....I guess 50 dollars might do that as well
In my experience most AC user don't seem to like paying for extra content and really if they've already spent $7000 they shouldn't have to.
Give me half a million and we'll build a far superior library. But until that happens i guess we all just keep paying the upgrade costs.
Rob wrote:Totally agree. Having a few stock library parts is fine but what we need is a way to (dare I say it?)
...libraries are usually very limited in terms of localisation too....
...A way to go could be CW-like 'assembly' approach.
vistasp wrote:Exactly. We need a system whereby we can easily create any door or window that we want regardless of the manufacturer or country. It could be based on the same technology as the new CW tool.
Having a few stock library parts is fine but what we need is a way to (dare I say it?) design our own doors & windows. Now wouldn't that be nice.
Pete wrote:
I don'tneeda separate object for each manufacturer.
GS wrote:Can we hope to find it applied to D/W in AC13?
The Curtain Wall tool is based upon the new ArchiCAD “System Technology” which will serve as a foundation for future system oriented building components. Based upon a flexible hierarchical structure of schemes, physical members and additional accessories, users can easily control & change both the entire system and the smallest detail throughout the entire project.
You can not possibly beat CW functionality by GDL.Ask Erika how that CW functionality is working for her.
Anyway, I appreciate your knowledge of the technical aspects, and discussing the "how" can be interesting, however the "what" or lack thereof is causing the frustration that Robert and others have been voicing. I think others have proven that a decent set of windows/doors can be produced using GDL, but I don't care if they use GDL or CW as long as they fix it in some fashion, SOON!
I've been training others in the use of this great software and it is embarrassing when they ask for help with doors and windows. They shell out big bucks for ArchiCAD and I have to tell them to buy an outside library to get decent windows & doors. Makes no sense!
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