How to call out duplicate details? Section or Detail tool?

[tsturm]

hello to all.

Can anyone recommend the best process for calling out detail locations on a roof plan where the same detail is being referenced to on a detail sheet?

Same problem with wall sections on a long building. I want to draw and detail only one of the wall sections. I, however, want AC and PM to auto track that the same detail has several references pointing to it.

I have a building which has the same exterior wall construction on the opposing ends of the building. I want so reference each end of the building using the Section Tool. But I do not want to detail both wall sections. I only want to have the one wall section in Plotmaker.

Has anyone figured out a way to get the two reference cuts to autoupdate for the one drawing?

I have the same sort of problem with roof details.

RNH
TAL

[tsturm]

Karl

your idea about using empty detail boxes as place holders has crossed my mind. however PM does not really like truly empty files. They never come in the correct size and such. I would recommend at least putting a box or title bar in the detail window in AC. Then when the detail file comes into PM there is something in the file for PM to place. from there you can use PM's auto title feature if you like.

You idea has some good possiblities given the long and losing process that LINK suggested. LINK did provide the way to get it done. It is not a nice process. but one. Your process is a very good alternative providing you want to keep track of the different files and the locations they need to go on the sheet.

Your process can be difficult to track if the user is not careful to shut off the auto titling of each file placed on the sheet. As the overlapping details and their titles could cause quite a mess on the sheet.

What I am getting out of the whole conversation is you can link multiple references to the same detail without much hassle. You cannot link multiple references to the same wall section. The only way to solve this would be to use a 2d symbol to call out other locations of the same wall section. This process though lacks the use of AC and PM auto tracking.

Does anyone have a recommendation on a process to call out similar or duplicate wall sections and also have these locations track the original wall section?

[Link]

tsturm said:

You idea has some good possiblities given the long and losing process that LINK suggested.

OUCH!! Easy there big fella, just trying to help. Wowsa!

Karl's workaround is probably a better one, but as he mentioned they are just that - workarounds, and both have their problems. Both are similar it just depends whether you want to manage your problems within ArchiCAD or PlotMaker.

Karl said:

There is the potential for serious errors if you forget and drag the DWG and don't drag the placeholder ... then your references will be to the wrong details!

Karl, you should be able to group these together to overcome this problem. Good idea all 'round mate.


Anyway, the point is that we need the detail tool to be more flexible. Here is an excerpt from the document I provided and discussed with the ArchiCAD Design Team when I met with them in Budapest a few months ago:

"...We need a detail that cuts a section. Many architects need to link a detail to a wall section. Maybe we have a wall section ...[]... in plan and a detail bubble on another section and both are linkable to the same resulting view..."

GS is aware of the problem and I'm sure they're giving it their due consideration!

Cheers,
Link.

[Karl Ottenstein]

tsturm wrote:
however PM does not really like truly empty files. They never come in the correct size and such. I would recommend at least putting a box or title bar in the detail window in AC.

That's good to know, since I didn't try my idea out. But, I think that two hotspots (representing opposite corners on a diagonal) might be good enough, since then there is no worry about printing a rectangle/etc.

Thanks for your careful and useful analysis of these (unfortunate) workarounds.

I don't see a solution to the section issue (linking duplicate markers to a single wall section) ... which is quite serious. I'm looking forward to reading anyone's ideas here!

Karl

[tsturm]

Sorry there LINK. I was trying to refer to the losing of the linking to the source file (dwg) and the time it would take some one to go through all the steps.

You were right on the money with a way to get the task completed. I appreciate the help that it was.

I will now crawl into the small area under my desk and cry for a while.

karl

about putting the information from a wall section into a detail box could do the tracking I am looking for. you can take the contents of a section window and copy them. doing so makes everything into lines and fills.

then you can link lots of detail markers to the window. I hear it now. You lose the auto update feature. Yes you do, but do you really use the wall section straight from the model anyways? I often take the info from the wall section. put it on a layer for underlay. then delete what I do not need and use the rest while drawing in the extras that are not produced from the wall section like brick and studs. if the model were to change the underlay info can be updated or changed as necessary.

Now GS, you have us hooked on the use of this detail tool, it seems time to let us run wild with it. We really need to have details link from within details. How else are we going to work from the BIG PICTURE to the smallest mitre.

thank you Karl and LINK for the comments and alternate views on this issue.

If anything further comes to mind, toss it out there.