!Restored: ¿News about AC 12?

[Anonymous]

Hi all!


¿Anybody knows anything about AC 12, please?


I'm hearing rumours, but nothing concrete...


Thanks a lot and regards.



P.S. Like another user says: "forgive my spanglish..."

[stefan]

I suggest to wait till AC12 i released, test it and see it if works for you. If not, don't upgrade.

Don't start complaining before you have used it. It is clear that everybody has different ideas and wishes and that an upgrade will never reflect your wishes.

I'd love better parametric behavior inside ArchiCAD and extend GDL to full-application scripting, including fully functional 3D Window (including guidelines, grids, snaps etc...), but considering that ArchiCAD X+1 will have to work just like ArchiCAD X and be compatible and includes all old features, you have to be realistic with your expectations.

You could try to create a full (but fairly small) project with Revit and see if that works better for you. You might love it or you might learn what it lacks.

[Anonymous]

Some comments

1)There is no "to upgrade or not" dilemma since we are somehow forced into a subscription policy

2) We therefore pay beforehand. At least we should know the priorities

3) We paid for archicad (if i was using a pirated copy i wouldnt talk) and going to another platform is expensive both in time and money. When you jumb into a platform you don't just buy what it now is, but also promises. If they were saying, look this is what you get, we will not upgrade it, i just would not have spent not even a dollar.

4) Are you suggesting that when subscribing we are not allowed to know the basic priorities of the program? This is totally insane! wejust put are money and hope? If i know that the future of archicad as GS thinks it is not to my liking, i will have to pack my stuff and search for an alternative, paying the cost of a wrong choice. But not in the dark.

5) All paying subscribers are entitled to answers. If not, what is the difference of a user using a pirated copy? Being legal? We are constantly ignored and not a single time in this forum we got an official opinion of GS positions about where AC is going

[stefan]

oreopoulos wrote:
1)There is no "to upgrade or not" dilemma since we are somehow forced into a subscription policy

You are not obliged to subscribe. You are not even obliged to upgrade. I could keep using my old 6.0 if I wanted to.

oreopoulos wrote:
2) We therefore pay beforehand. At least we should know the priorities

You could expect that, but no one ever promised that. I don't think that a subscription contract makes any promises about the features to be delivered (with any company).

oreopoulos wrote:
3) We paid for archicad (if i was using a pirated copy i wouldnt talk) and going to another platform is expensive both in time and money. When you jumb into a platform you don't just buy what it now is, but also promises. If they were saying, look this is what you get, we will not upgrade it, i just would not have spent not even a dollar.

I understand your frustrations about ArchiCAD. I have a whole series of issues too. That won't change very much, even when you are actively involved in the forums or when you know some of the people.

Some of my old wishes were fullfilled (OpenGL 3D Window, LightWorks rendering), many others have not: scripting or opening GDL outside of the objects, parametrics, full freeform modeling...

oreopoulos wrote:
4) Are you suggesting that when subscribing we are not allowed to know the basic priorities of the program? This is totally insane! wejust put are money and hope? If i know that the future of archicad as GS thinks it is not to my liking, i will have to pack my stuff and search for an alternative, paying the cost of a wrong choice. But not in the dark.

I guess they will never promise anything. They do listen to users and they have this very valuable forum, but when signing contracts they are in no way obliged to deliver anything. They are even not obliged to release new versions.

oreopoulos wrote:
5) All paying subscribers are entitled to answers. If not, what is the difference of a user using a pirated copy? Being legal? We are constantly ignored and not a single time in this forum we got an official opinion of GS positions about where AC is going

Being legal is an important aspect of being in business. I bought my ArchiCAD license full price.

Rest assured that I understand many of your remarks. There is no official "future feature list" of ArchiCAD, not even for testers. But it's the same with other companies. I don't expect that to happen.

And you won't find it with other companies/software either.

[Anonymous]

I think they are obliged and i think users have the power to force any company to do at least its job.

There are many issues that show at least disrespect to the users.

Listening to the users means replying to the users.

Show me responses for GS side in this forum. Just users helping other users. Useless users wishes ageing and ageing. Voting and talking and nothing then.

Archicad is not improving as it should and everyone should do something.

[Rakela Raul]

I had the opportunity to see those pictures posted below (erased them quickly).
even though i wasnt given the chance to see them in detail, i just remember one about the incredible speed increase of the new version........im extremely+very happy having signed a subscription for 3 years just for that amazing improvement.

I do share complains about relationships and a couple of more...at the same token I will contradict myself saying that I would like to see a more+much simpler version of AC and stop adding new features and making AC hell for new users.

[Anonymous]

Hi there,

For all of us, that are little a bit inpatient, I recomamend to take a break and have vacation to Verona, injoy both city and new ArchiCAD 12 presentation.


ArchiCAD 12 - Ready to Go!!
News
Scritto da CUmirco
ArchiCAD 12 dopo molte indiscrezioni, alcune diciamolo di fantasia, è nella sua fase prefinale che porterà a breve ad essere rilasciato.

Sul territorio italiano è possibile assistere in anteprima la presentazione di ArchiCAD 12 nel seguente evento:

Giovedì 12 giugno 2008, ore 14:30 - Presso il Circolo Ufficiali di Castelvecchio - Corso Castelvecchio,4 - Verona


Andy

[Anonymous]

Andy wrote:
Hi there,

For all of us, that are little a bit inpatient, I recomamend to take a break and have vacation to Verona, injoy both city and new ArchiCAD 12 presentation
Andy

Verona is a nice city,
Is Julietta and Romeo's home 😉
and it's not far from Venice and Garda's lake....

If you come, you will be welcome

Have a nice day Andy

CU mirco

[Brett Brown]

oreopoulos wrote:
I think they are obliged and i think users have the power to force any company to do at least its job.

There are many issues that show at least disrespect to the users.

Listening to the users means replying to the users.

Show me responses for GS side in this forum. Just users helping other users. Useless users wishes ageing and ageing. Voting and talking and nothing then.

Archicad is not improving as it should and everyone should do something.

I agree 100%

With a competitive rival now, Graphisoft has to inform users what they are working on for future releases. This secretive way they operate up to now doesn't seem to me that they care about their users. Every release is a lottery for us to see if they have finally included the basics we have been waiting for year after year.

From what I have seen so far (posted screen shots) it doesn't look good for yet another year. Keynotes,Revision Manager to name a few. (hoping i'm wrong)

Am I supposed to wait yet another year for another uninformed lottery, for the tool or improvement that might be included? Or pay thought the nose for yet another add-on that should be standard in the program.

Has any body else noticed that the add-on makers tools, to name a few, Cadimages Keynotes,Cabinet Builder and Revision Manager, Cigraph's Architerra,Archistair and ArchiQuant and Encina's Objective are the very area's that Graphisoft haven't been improving. Is this done on purpose by Graphisoft? Do they intend to have, improve or include these tools in Archicad's future releases? These tools don't work as good as add-on's and would be much better intergrated and far less hassels and cost for the users. Far better selling point for future users to compete with Revit which have most of these in there tool set.

Graphisoft need to take a look at the Cheif Architect forums and how their staff interact with their users about future tools etc, their questions on suggested tool improvements are answered on the forum, and the whole process is transparent. Piece of mind for the users with the dialogue back and forth.

Every year of disappointments and there reluctance to at least tell us where they are going is just fueling the anxiety, especially seeing the latest Revit release. Revit has caught up and perhaps passed (depending
on what is in AC 12) Archicad for what I use it for, Residential.

[stefan]

Brett wrote:
With a competitive rival now, Graphisoft has to inform users what they are working on for future releases. This secretive way they operate up to now doesn't seem to me that they care about their users. Every release is a lottery for us to see if they have finally included the basics we have been waiting for year after year.

Welcome to the world of commercial software development. Frankly, this is not that uncommon, it is more the rule than the exception. If you want a more open approach, you could try to look for an Open Source alternative to ArchiCAD (there isn't any) or switch to a company which applies Open Beta programs, such as McNeel for their Rhino3D NURBS modeler.

In almost any case, the commercial company will decide on the features, based on complexity, user feedback (yes) and their internal priorities. I can understand that you might not like this attitude, but I have to stress that this is a very regular way of working with commercial software development.

I suggest to contact your dealer to be informed about future beta-tests, if you really care about a more active involvement with the development team.

[Anonymous]

stefan wrote:
In almost any case, the commercial company will decide on the features, based on complexity, user feedback (yes) and their internal priorities. I can understand that you might not like this attitude, but I have to stress that this is a very regular way of working with commercial software development.

I suggest to contact your dealer to be informed about future beta-tests, if you really care about a more active involvement with the development team.

1) There is not a single indication the GS is listening to the users. We have a tons of SUPER BASIC features missing and we just post them over and over again.

2) Being a beta tester ,you just get to see things before. This is not the basic issue. The basic issue is before paying the subscription to know the priorities of GS. Not everything, but the basic stuff.

3) Being a beta tester is not as easy as you say, I have applied a couple of times but ofcourse they only accept "yes men" appliers.

I will comment after we see the features that AC12 brings
(but as for speed, just look at revit live updates 3+ versions ago)