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Anonymous
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!Restored: Success = getting new customers

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks
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Anonymous
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Sergio, this is a possible answer to your question, one that answered to many of my own questions recently:

http://www.aecbytes.com/reviews.html

Bob
Anonymous
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jdk wrote:
Sergio, this is a possible answer to your question, one that answered to many of my own questions recently:...
Thanks for the info. I thought I'd checked them out, but maybe they got missed. It's not "EXACTLY" what I was looking/hoping for, but it's about 80-90% or so of the way there. Thank you.
Anonymous
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As it turns out -- Matthew Lohden and I are going to do a head-to-head of Revit 9.1 to ArchiCAD 10 but it won't be an apples-to-apples comparison because the version numbers aren't the same

No timeframe yet -- I've dumped some monster Revit files on him for consideration and we'll record the session so y'all can have a real look at how things get done.
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Architectural researchers working in the field of building modeling have determined that one of the most critical attributes of a building model is integrity—the model should not allow you to create a "junk building." So far, no BIM application really meets this requirement (see my recent review of Revit Building 9), but ArchiCAD, with its near complete lack of modeling constraints, is very far from this goal. It might not be a critical issue right now, but it will be in the future, when the focus of BIM will increasingly be on analysis and simulation rather than on automatically generating construction drawings.

Also, as I pointed out in my review of Revit Building 9, all BIM applications need to rethink how they deal with spaces/rooms, as none of them have quite got it right yet in my opinion. This includes ArchiCAD with its zone element. To start with, it should make a distinction between rooms/spaces as commonly defined by a single enclosure, and a larger collection of spaces that can come together as a zone. Also, the very existence of walls should automatically define some kind of volume, whether fully or partially enclosed, and the application should be smart enough to determine when such a volume has been created. The user should not have to go through the additional step of explicitly creating and placing a room/space/zone element within a set of walls, as this subsequently creates problems such as keeping that element synchronized with the surrounding volume, as I pointed out earlier. ArchiCAD too does not automatically detect the vertical footprint of a zone by elements such as slabs and roofs but uses a numeric value instead, so that to calculate the true volume of a zone under a complex roof, you have to first specify its height to be greater than that of the roof and then trim the zone against the roof. Also, zones in ArchiCAD cannot be seen in sections at all, which is another unfortunate consequence of explicitly creating them rather than them being implicitly defined.

In conclusion, ArchiCAD 10 is right on track in providing users with what they critically need right now—more modeling freedom, improved ease of use, vastly improved training, and better integration of drawings with the modeling workflow. In the long term, more attention needs to be paid to the issue of model integrity by incorporating more intelligent modeling behavior that takes into account the physical properties of building elements and their relationship with other elements, so that the model can be free of modeling errors before moving to the analysis and simulation phase. How it can do this without detracting from the user experience represents the ultimate challenge—not only before ArchiCAD, but before any current-day BIM application.


About the Author

Lachmi Khemlani is founder and editor of AECbytes. She has a Ph.D. in Architecture from UC Berkeley, specializing in intelligent building modeling, and consults and writes on AEC technology. She can be reached at lachmi@aecbytes.com.



This is a wake up call for me
Architectural researchers working in the field of building modeling have determined that one of the most critical attributes of a building model is integrity—the model should not allow you to create a "junk building." .
It's been my experience that every time software tries to protect you from yourself, it ends up preventing you from designing what you want to achieve. In other words, the software may perceive your building to be "junk" but open holes, non-closing walls, etc. may be exactly what you're trying to do in a particular instance.

Frankly, I suspect that if these "architectural researchers" were actual practitioners, they wouldn't be "researching" and trying to tell other, more experienced professionals, how they should be designing. (Cynical? Maybe...)
Richard
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Richard Morrison, Architect-Interior Designer
AC26 (since AC6.0), Win10
Anonymous
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Khemlani's pining for software that prevents "junk buildings" is for what purpose? to allow monkeys to design buildings? We don't let monkeys construct buildings, so I don't really see what the point is. Instead of bloating up the software with some sort of ingrained intelligence (which is more likely than not to drive you nuts), there's an easier workaround to not putting a wall into the middle of a window: Don't do that.
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metanoia wrote:
As it turns out -- Matthew Lohden and I are going to do a head-to-head of Revit 9.1 to ArchiCAD 10 but it won't be an apples-to-apples comparison because the version numbers aren't the same

No timeframe yet -- I've dumped some monster Revit files on him for consideration and we'll record the session so y'all can have a real look at how things get done.
I was being a little more circumspect until we actually got some serious mileage under our belts but I guess now it's going to be full speed ahead (whether that's a tricycle or a locomotive is yet to be seen).
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...the model should not allow you to create a "junk building."...
Like the grammar checker in Word?

As Winston Churchill once said: "That is something up with which I shall not put!"
Dwight
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Adalbert wrote:
Architectural researchers working in the field of building modeling have determined that one of the most critical attributes of a building model is integrity—the model should not allow you to create a "junk building."
They are researchers, we are architects.

I say that BIM software should allow ANY kind of junk.

That's creativity. Sometimes "Junk" is how a proper building solution is derived. Ask Uncle Frank. Archicad would NEVERallow those convoluted beams like in Seattle's EMP.

While I can see a use for the great lump of constraints like what we have for designing schools here in BC, those constraints would just be for schools made with too little money.

Song Idea:
"Please Mr DJ, turn the music up and don't let the rest of Archicad get as cryptic and prescribed as the calculate menu functions are."

What's a "junk" building, anyways?
Dwight Atkinson
Anonymous
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In the long term, more attention needs to be paid to the issue of model integrity by incorporating more intelligent modeling behavior that takes into account the physical properties of building elements and their relationship with other elements

About the Author
Lachmi Khemlani is founder and editor of AECbytes. She has a Ph.D. in Architecture from UC Berkeley, specializing in intelligent building modeling, and consults and writes on AEC technology. She can be reached at lachmi@aecbytes.com.


It should be pointed out that Lachmi Khemlani is also founder of Arcwiz, a consulting company that provides training on Revit and AutoCad, but NOT on ArchiCAD. http://www.arcwiz.com/training.htm

I only mention this because her articles have been pointed out on other places as being a good reference, but with that profile I would think Dr. Lachmi Khemlani's position should not be taken automatically as unbiased.

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