ac10 "model view options" vs ac9 "display opt

[hampden]

just upgraded to ac 10 and am having some difficulty understanding the arrangement of view options...it seems that ac9 "Display Options" dialogue has been replaced with Model View Options" however it only seems to contain a fraction of the parameters which are saved as part of a view set. there is a submenu under view for onscreen view options, and a pallet which access them as well, but i can find no central place to make all the changes at once and save sets? there must be something else going on, as going in and out of the "Model View Options" to get all of the settings right before saving a set seems really backward.

am i missing something obvious?

[Link]

am i missing something obvious?

You must be, because it's never been better or easier (once you grasp it) IMHO.

ArchiCAD 9 Display Options did indeed get separated into AC10's On-screen View Options and Model View Options. The former is a global setting for use purely on screen and the latter can be assigned to views (and will reflect on published documents). But both are independent of each other.

Each time you create a view, you change the Model View Option Combination to the one you want, along with the Layer Combination, Scale, Dimension Standard, and Zooming, then save the view. A quick way to switch some of these out is by using your 'Quick Options' which you can access by hitting that lightning bolt looking button at the bottom of your project window.

Outside of saving views, both On-screen View Options and Model View Options can be changed at any time.

Hope that makes more sense.

Cheers,
Link.

[Anonymous]

The separation of the functions is good but can be confusing. I find it essential to add a toolbar for the onscreen options since there is no other way to make a quick switch. Of course I had to revisit my old display options sets since some were made just to change the on-screen settings.

I agree with Link that (with the toolbar) this is a BIG improvement.

[hampden]

matthew & link,

thanks both for your feedback. that makes much more sense knowing that those view settings are not stored as part of a view set...but i guess that means you can't store any of the view options as part of a predefined drawing view...hmm....i guess looking at those options that really is not a big issue.

in any regards thanks for the help!

-Stefan

[owen]

And just to simplify things we have Pen Sets ... which, unlike ALL other display/view options affecting output are NOT saved with Views. They are global meaning you change your Pen Set and it is applied to every single plan, section, elevation, detail or whatever in that file. The only way you can apply different Pen Sets to Drawings originating in the same Model is to override the Drawings 'source' Pen Set in the Drawing Settings.

People were divided about this earlier and the outcome does not fit well with me. Pen Sets should be applied and remembered with each View just as with all other settings which affect output. The principle should be that you define everything about how you want your view to appear at the Model side, and just place that defined appearance in the Layouting side. Compromises have been made (you can override Scale and Pen Set but not Layer Combinations on a Layout) but Pen Sets IMHO still don't fit within the logic of this approach (and I have read GS explanation).

I know there are others with a different view on this though, just had to get it out in public

[Link]

People were divided about this earlier

They were?

Pen Sets should be applied and remembered with each View just as with all other settings which affect output.

That would assume views are only used for output.

I know there are others with a different view on this though

I guess I'm one of those mate (with all due respect). For the point of conversation, I believe that the current method of having working pens and mapping them to drawings for output at the publishing stage is the correct logic. We can have different pensets in the modeling environment vs. the layouting environment.

I'd be keen to hear why it's not floating your boat...

Cheers,
Link.

[owen]

Link wrote:

People were divided about this earlier

They were?

I obviously cant post the thread here but thats my recollection anyway, and im sticking to it

Link wrote:

Pen Sets should be applied and remembered with each View just as with all other settings which affect output.

That would assume views are only used for output.

Not making any assumptions about what people use views for. I know some will be using Pen Sets to have Drafting and Output pen colours. I've got a similar setup with Drafting and Output viewsets (markups, setup lines, notes etc). But GS had said generally they thought that Views should be where you defined a drawings appearance, not on the Layout. We didn't always have Scale override under Drawing Settings AFAIR ..

Link wrote:

I know there are others with a different view on this though

I guess I'm one of those mate (with all due respect). For the point of conversation, I believe that the current method of having working pens and mapping them to drawings for output at the publishing stage is the correct logic. We can have different pensets in the modeling environment vs. the layouting environment.

I'd be keen to hear why it's not floating your boat...

I think we agree for the most part - i just think you should be able to save Pen Sets with Views in the modelling environment as well as the current ability to do this (by overriding) in the Layouting environment.

My only real issue with the way it is now is as views dont include Pen Sets, if someone changes the Pen Set in the model and forgets to change it back, every single drawing from that model which is placed using the source Pen Sets will change its colours. Its like relying on the current scale in the model being set correctly and not saved with the view. All im asking for is the ability to assign different Pen Sets to different Views in the model end so I do not have to worry about it when Layouting - just drop the predefined view on the page.

I'm only going on about it again because there is clearly an opportunity to improve this new feature which will not require any restructure of the current system

[hampden]

one thing which i've always felt would be a good way of handling the storing of views would be to allow view sets to affect more properties (say pen sets and view options as examples) but then allow a user to toggle wether the view set saves it's own parameters or inherits the current ones (kind of like it does for the zooming property).

not sure how many folks are using sketchup but they have a very flexible and compact method of saving view sets (which they call pages). they have a little check box to say wether you want a given parameter to be saved with the set or inherited by the current settings. (see attached screen shot)

something along these lines would be a very simple way to allow for more flexibility in individuals workflow, without disrupting the way the program currently functions.

-stefan