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Customer Services contribution to your business success

Rob
Graphisoft
Graphisoft

Hi all,

 

This topic is about your opinions regarding Customer Success department and its perceived contribution and help to your business. I would be very curious to know whether you would consider CS services as a major differentiator / competitive advantage when comparing with our competition.. I mean: Tech Support, Community and Insider Club, GSLearn courses, in-app AC onboarding, Help content and performance / help of your local Customer Success Manager (either direct GS or local GS Partner). If your business is served in any of the above-mentioned areas by a local GS partner please contemplate on it too but indicate that it's a local GS partner provided service.

The issue is stemming from a currently hotly discussed industry dilemma related to "AI hype" where AI is seen as "silver bullet" for everything... my worry is that replacing customer services with AI-driven approach would remove our uniqueness as a company when it comes to customer relationship. Having said that, I definitely see AI potential in analytics and resolution of some low-complexity, highly repetitive or trivial tasks but where should we stop? Where is this proverbial line in sand that separates perceived quality customer service and an automated "call center" or chat-bots?  

So, I am interested in perceived values of current CS vs fully automated service based on AI...

 

looking forward to your input, observations and suggestions...

 

Cheers

Rob

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Rob
Graphisoft
Graphisoft

Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their stories and perspectives. Your honest input and real-life experiences are truly valued—not only do they help us understand your needs, but they also create a stronger, more supportive community for all. Keep the conversation going, connect with your peers, and don’t hesitate to reach out to me directly if you prefer privacy. Your voices matter and directly shape our next steps.

Looking forward to learning from your stories, and helping each other move forward together.

Cheers,
Rob

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runxel
Hero

Hi Rob,
late to the party this time.
So regarding your question


@Rob  schrieb:

Would you consider CS services as a major differentiator / competitive advantage?

No, definitely not. This is not a major driver in any decision – for me.

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It is the icing and the cherry (or one of 'em) on top.
At the same time a good customer relation is the very foundation of a successful business.
Let me explain: In your question you mix a hell lot of different things, that only superficially belong together. I wouldn't throw them in the same basket, just because you can slap the "CS" tag on it.


I don't care for 1st level support at all. The hotline knows less than I do – they are usually gaslighting or just uninformed at best. Most of the time you will get a variation of "You hold it wrong" back from them.
They can not handle "real" cases at all. What I want and yearn for is proper access to the devs. Give me the responsible dude, mate!
Until any issue reaches them (IF it reaches them, and that's a super big if) it has already been watered down so much, that all meaning has been lost. (The issue that nobody at GS seems to use their own software is another culprit.)

 

There is this old joke about communism, that comes to mind:
"The workers report that an accident has obliterated a new tractor at the factory.

The undersecretary receives a telegram from the factory supervisor, saying 'Comrade, everything is running smoothly at the tractor factory; a minor technical incident was resolved immediately and production continues as normal.'
The undersecretary then relays to the central committee: 'Thanks to the exemplary work of the comrades at the tractor factory, an additional new tractor was produced today.'"

 

The forum is so much better in yielding results. Even if its "hey that will never work, you need this workaround for this workaround".

 

I am very happy however that you FINALLY have a proper web portal where at least you have some data to work on and not an flimsy email thread.
This is the way forward, I believe. What's missing is the link that an item becomes actionable.
I think I never got an update on any bug/issue I have relayed via email over the years. With the web portal it's at least easier to circle back, and I have even got some confirmations on my bugs, but still no "hey so were working on it and it will be done by xxx". That's what I want.
I just have to reference McNeel again, where they post links to their JIRA in the forum and you can see the progress live, as it happens. That's great!


On the other hand: AI is a dimwit.
Nobody likes it. Honestly. If you ever had to be on a call with a company, you know. As if being on hold with questionable music is not bad enough, so many companies now let you do an entire AI questionnaire before you can reach anybody. Suddenly you're two hours in with no way to reach somebody.
So for the really bad situations we do need to reach a human who is competent and capable. Who can resolves things. That is essential and no longer the icing on the cake – which also makes it very much no "competitive advantage" – it just should be the norm (but that might be a different topic altogether).

 

Of course you have better insight on how the distribution of customer support requests is.
And I can understand that sometimes some questions would have been not asked if the caller would had undergone at least some kind of rudimentary training. Still not really sure AI could handle that much better.

 

Thinking that AI is a dilemma is wrong however. It will not solve any of your problems.
Honestly, all of this does not even matter, if you not finally start to concentrate on the very basics and on the things that are there already.
Like, listen to your own employees and resellers!? (let alone, god forbid, the users)

They know what the users want and need. But I have heard so many examples by now that this simply does not happen.
Until you do not resolve this internally, everything else becomes a nothingburger.

 

I honestly have never understood the dynamic between corporate, the local identities, and the resellers. That's at least one and a half too many parties involved in my opinion.
What I mean is: Nobody talks to each other, yet everybody does pointing fingers at everyone else. This has to end, full stop.
And honestly this is opaque to the Users, too. We do not really care who is on the other end, again, as long our requests and questions are met and answered.
But man, if I ever hear again "oh..., weee are not responsible for this" I'm gonna scream.

 

Also the resellers are wildly different. There should have been at least a common standard. But with the new licenses they will probably drift into obscurity anyway.

 

Enough talk about support, I think you got the gist, Rob.

 

Picking "training" as topic, I can only say that while I understand you want and need to make money it really rubs me wrong that the training on the portal is paid, and not even that good.
It's really basic, which is okay, if it would be free, but if we need to pay, I'd like to have some usual problems we architects face to be taken serious and shown in it. (That would also expose all the cases that are not straight forward right now and where the software breaks...)

But accessible training will also lead to less frustration and to fewer users asking "stupid" questions blocking suppport, which will lead to less wondering if AI is the silver bullet for this.

I think, that's how you need to view it from a business perspective.

You can't have the cake and eat it.

 

Lucas Becker | AC 29 on Mac (Sequoia) | Graphisoft Insider Panelist | Akroter.io – high-end GDL objects | Author of Runxel's Archicad Wiki | Editor at SelfGDL | Developer of the GDL plugin for Sublime Text

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Well said!

Eric Milberger, Architect | Master Planner

@runxel wrote:

Hi Rob,
late to the party this time.
So regarding your question


@Rob  schrieb:

Would you consider CS services as a major differentiator / competitive advantage?

........

 

I am very happy however that you FINALLY have a proper web portal where at least you have some data to work on and not an flimsy email thread.
This is the way forward, I believe. What's missing is the link that an item becomes actionable.
I think I never got an update on any bug/issue I have relayed via email over the years. With the web portal it's at least easier to circle back, and I have even got some confirmations on my bugs, but still no "hey so were working on it and it will be done by xxx". That's what I want.
I just have to reference McNeel again, where they post links to their JIRA in the forum and you can see the progress live, as it happens. That's great!

 

......

 


Oh, come on now,.... that's not fair.

That's not a fair comparison at all.

 

Why, McNeel is a forward thinking innovative software development company with an incredible and consistently improving product, a fantastic relationship with its customers, open dialog between developers and users to the benefit and betterment of their software, a robust beta-testing system, and a release schedule that releases new versions on a timetable not predicated on shareholder reports, stock indices or investor expectations,.....but one based on delivering an actually ready-for-purpose tool, ...and which displays actual value for their customers upon release, and makes their money worth it.

And weirdly they're able to do all this while still maintaining a perpetual license model for their customers rather than jumping onto the exclusively subscription-only train that every other major player has dived into, or convinced themselves they need to dive into (including our esteemed overlords here),.....only to subsequently see the improvement in their respective software, and the inherent value to the customers take a precipitous nosedive off a high cliff into a deep dark carvenous crevice of technological rigor mortis and developmental Hades.

 

(It must be by magic!)

 

Totally not a fair comparison.

 

But other than that, I totally agree with everything you wrote.

Especially the AI part - which, I've now come to think is less and less about following the herd into this great AI paradise they think they have to be on, and simply more about a(nother) way to make yet another extra buck from their already hard-put-upon customers.

 

The (inevitable) AI tech bubble burst and collapse can not come fast enough.

 

First is customer service which is non existent in the US.

I have Revit, Microstation and Archicad

Microstation is the best bit getting worse as they are following Autodesk's model

Autodesk is 2nd as when they fail - which they do - there are plenty of other users to help

Archicad is the worse as there is NO customer service in the US.  The phone lines have been cut off and no one answers.

The forums are gone which could be solution as Graphisoft can sit on their hands and let us do the work.

 

Muy solution has been to hire a person that is not a designer but an excellent support.   Archicad has abandoned me.

Eric Milberger, Architect | Master Planner