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Problems with Video Display on a new Aluminum iMac

drh64
Contributor
I have had this happen on two different IMacs and only when we run AC 11.

It seems to be triggered by Itunes running at the same time.

Has anyone else witnessed this before? Any suggestions?


http://www.connect-arch.com/graphics-problem/scatter.mov
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Ralph Wessel
Mentor
Jeffrey wrote:
I don't recall posting, so searched the developer forum and have not found any posts by me in this forum. So what post is Ralph looking for an answer to?
Jeffrey,

I asked you to substantiate your claims with links to qualified sources. And because everyone was becoming bored and irritated with the conversation (including me), you were asked to take up your complaints in a developer forum so others don't have to suffer through it. Will you please listen to others and stop posting this unsubstantiated "advice"?
Ralph Wessel BArch
Software Engineer Speckle Systems
Ralph Wessel
Mentor
drh64 wrote:
I have had this happen on two different IMacs and only when we run AC 11.
Weird graphics artifacts been noted by a number of people, not just ArchiCAD users. It isn't consistent, in the sense that some will encounter the problem, while others with an identical configuration aren't seeing it. There certainly isn't a problem running iTunes (and much more) in conjunction with ArchiCAD - I (and many others) do that all the time. Have you taken this up with Apple?

You might also find some advice on Apple's discussion forums - try this for a start: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1195969
Ralph Wessel BArch
Software Engineer Speckle Systems
drh64
Contributor
Have you taken this up with Apple?

I started my company in July 07. I purchased two IMacs (20"/24"EX)and one MacBook. I swear the 20" runs more stable than the 24" model. The 24" had the hard drive replaced after 4 weeks. It also has a tendency to simply crash and drop out of an app at any moment. It happens in about any application.

Taking it up with Apple is a good idea, yet, it is difficult to repeat the problem because it is so unpredictable.
owen
Newcomer
Ralph wrote:
There certainly isn't a problem running iTunes (and much more) in conjunction with ArchiCAD - I (and many others) do that all the time.
There certainly isn't .. iTunes+AC+4-5 other apps running 6-7 hours a day, 5 days a week for the past 18 months and i have never seen this happen once on either of my MBPs.

Haven't seen this sort of thing on any of the 40 odd Mac Pros + G5s in the office either
cheers,

Owen Sharp

Design Technology Manager
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iMac 27" i7 2.93Ghz | 32GB RAM | OS 10.10 | Since AC5
Anonymous
Not applicable
It seems to mostly (if not exclusively) affect ATI cards. In some cases it is related to overheating.
Anonymous
Not applicable
drh64 wrote:
Have you taken this up with Apple?

I started my company in July 07. I purchased two IMacs (20"/24"EX)and one MacBook. I swear the 20" runs more stable than the 24" model. The 24" had the hard drive replaced after 4 weeks. It also has a tendency to simply crash and drop out of an app at any moment. It happens in about any application.

Taking it up with Apple is a good idea, yet, it is difficult to repeat the problem because it is so unpredictable.

Hi Dan,

You don't need to reproduce the problems. go to Application > Utilities > Console( Put it in your Doc while your there.) Click on the "Logs" button > and expand ~/Library/Logs and expand crash reporter. Read it and weep. I would like to see any ArchiCAD reports but they would be too long to copy and paste here.

You have a "Skookum" graphics card that makes the "Pro" machines like mine and many others akin to an etch a sketch with a cord. Is the 20" equipped w/ the same card? When they replaced the HDD was it an exact swap or did you get a larger/smaller slower/faster HDD? Do you know what brand HDD it was that failed? Did it start with a long progress balls in the finder and other apps? Very slow graphical response to your input? Did it get to the point of click, click, click, on start up?

I would like to continua a dialogue with you and feel that based upon Karl's statement about "enough truth with misinformation" you would understand the difference between misinformation and outdated information as seems to be the case here although in this particular topic I don't really see where anyone else gave any information other than they've never seen these symptoms and would not have any first hand knowledge to be able to help you. At this point I have very little if any respect for Ralph and do not feel the need to play to his superiority complex as he does not seem to provide much in useful information and if someone were to go back and read many of his post there is no reasoning to much of what he says either along with contradictory statements scattered about this is not an AC problem and is an OS problem.

What you have indicated about your experience should lend at least a little credibility of what I am saying at least to you. 4 weeks and a HDD fails? I do not rely on third party info too much except to see what issues people are having and to see if user error, outdated, underpowered hardware, is the cause, is there an actual solution or if one has to resort to a work around. A Bug in SW like AC is not a security issue though, it can be a major setback, but an error in the OS leads to hardware failures and sometimes even data loss.

So if you would like to continue this in a useful way instead of accepting what the others are saying and that iTunes has nothing to do with it please do so by posting the answers to the questions above as well as the following.

If the 20" has a different graphics card can you please post that as you did the last?

Do you use Bootcamp, and if you do does it indicate 256 MB VRAM or 512 MB VRAM for you GC spec?

As a side note. If you had read my recommendation about including a G4 into an office, for you I would make a new recommendation based upon new information. Everything my machine does (or actualy doesn't do) relies on software emulations. Apple calls these virtual machines. According to ATI and unless Apple has disable these functions you have hardware support for MPEG-2 MPEG-4 H,264 and a list of legacy and modern encoders and decoders. This may even be the reason why you have issues with iTunes as it has it's own SW to provide support for these technologies for the rest of us. Many encoders are only available with their pro software. One thing that I do find odd though is that ATI indicates 1920 x 1200 as the maximum physical display, unless that is for an externally connected one.

Another thing to ponder. Being that ATI's R&D appears to have engineered the technologies that even NVidea uses to keep their portable chip-sets cool if heat is the issue why? One of the reason could be misfiring timers. and the timers could be failing due to an error in a time-formatter somewhere.


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Ralph Wessel
Mentor
drh64 wrote:
I swear the 20" runs more stable than the 24" model. The 24" had the hard drive replaced after 4 weeks. It also has a tendency to simply crash and drop out of an app at any moment. It happens in about any application. Taking it up with Apple is a good idea, yet, it is difficult to repeat the problem because it is so unpredictable.
Sounds like the 24" iMac was a real lemon. Random crashes - and especially kernal panics or total lockups - are symptoms of RAM failure. The computer will still be covered by AppleCare, so I would suggest dropping the machine into Apple. If you have good support in your area, they will leave the machine running test apps like TechTool for an extended period, which almost always exposes lurking hardware problems.

Also, show them the movie clip of the graphics glitches. This kind of behaviour should never happen, and is clear evidence of a significant problem. Unfortunately this does rely on the strength of support in your area. Many Apple resellers will bend over backwards to sort out problems, but a few just don't want to know. Given that it's still under AppleCare, you may be able to choose who you take it to - try looking up local technical support on Apple's website. You ideally want an outlet with in-house techies.
Ralph Wessel BArch
Software Engineer Speckle Systems
drh64
Contributor
Results from a TechTool Scan overnight:

Surface Scan
Failed - 1 errors
The Surface Scan test will scan the disk for bad blocks.

Media defects cause this test to fail. You should consider backing up the device, reformatting the media, replacing the data, and then testing again.

Does this mean I should backup, reformat and reinstall EVERYTHING!!????

YIKES!
Dwight
Newcomer
What does Disk Utility say?
Dwight Atkinson
Thomas Holm
Booster
Dwight wrote:
What does Disk Utility say?
Please note that for Disk Utility to check your internal hard disk, you have to start up the machine from the OSX install CD that you got with the machine and run Disk utility from that.
AC4.1-AC26SWE; MacOS13.5.1; MP5,1+MBP16,1